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<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">One of the biggest errors out there rating NCOs in jobs that do not exist. This is always a tough one do you stay the course like this or do you rate the NCO in the duty position they are slotted for but not working in?</span></font>
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Posted 12 y ago
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You need to get out of AR 623-3 and get into DA PAM 623-3 this is where most of your answers are pertaining to how or what to fill out on the NCOER. This is from Para. 3-5 table 3-3 of DA PAM 623-3:
NCOER part III: block a—Principal Duty Title
Action required: Enter principal duty title that matches the unit force management document or that most accurately reflects actual duties performed.
Ultimately, you the 1SG should determine how they are rated. I try to utilize what best benefits the Soldier. If they are filling the position of Commander's Gunner and doing an additional duty of training room NCO that is how I annotate it. If they are only doing the duties as the Chemical NCO (normally an additional duty), then that I will rate them as that. Do not allow your raters to make up duty positions. The common one I see is the Company trying to rate a guy as a HQ PSG (11B40 position) when he is filling the MTOE slot of Company MG (11B30 position). They cannot make up duty positions when there is a duty position they are filling a MTOE duty position, but we all know there are the exceptions where a guy only fills a position that would normally just be an additional duty.
NCOER part III: block a—Principal Duty Title
Action required: Enter principal duty title that matches the unit force management document or that most accurately reflects actual duties performed.
Ultimately, you the 1SG should determine how they are rated. I try to utilize what best benefits the Soldier. If they are filling the position of Commander's Gunner and doing an additional duty of training room NCO that is how I annotate it. If they are only doing the duties as the Chemical NCO (normally an additional duty), then that I will rate them as that. Do not allow your raters to make up duty positions. The common one I see is the Company trying to rate a guy as a HQ PSG (11B40 position) when he is filling the MTOE slot of Company MG (11B30 position). They cannot make up duty positions when there is a duty position they are filling a MTOE duty position, but we all know there are the exceptions where a guy only fills a position that would normally just be an additional duty.
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What happens when a NCO is slotted in a position they do not work in? Our OPS NCO is slotted as a nurse in the OR. He is not a nurse nor works in the OR.
How about the Commanders Driver? There's not a slot for him and he is a lab tech. So he is slotted in the lab but hasn't seen a drop of blood in over a year.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Yea ours doesnt and our CSM is furious about it especially since our new MTOE just came out and it still doesnt have it.
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CSM (Join to see)
All valid points but slotting them in their MTOE position while not actually working in that position paints a confusing picture to board members? Particularly for those branches that require 12-36 months of rated time in those positions.
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SGM Matthew Quick
MAJ Crane,<br><br>Hope you've engaged your Strength Management section for possible resolutions.
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NCOs are rated in their slotted (MTOE or TDA) positions.<br><br>Additional Duties can be annotated in the 'Appointed Duties' section.
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1SG, I'm currently a detail recruiter. My ERB and NCOER all say recruiter, but my supervisor is assigning me an additional duty of team leader to help him rate the other recruiters. Is this possible, will I be rated as a team leader or recruiter?
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CSM (Join to see)
Great question, I've never heard of a "Team Leader" position in Recruiting before this discussion but as in all organizations things change and could be something new USAREC is doing. I first recommend you reach out to your Battalion S1 to verify if the position exists if it does that's a discussion with your supervisor to assign you to that position. If it's not then you could add it to your daily duties and responsibilities example serves as a Detailed Recruiter with the additional responsibility of the supervision, health and welfare of 5 Detailed Recruiters or you could simply just add Team Leader to the additional duty or areas of special emphasis boxes and then expand on what you do as a Team Leader. Frankly it sounds to me like your supervisor wants to dump his responsibilities on your shoulders by rating the others. Is your supervisor a SFC or 1SG? The reason I'm asking is that would make a tremendous difference for those NCOs ratings. Something else to think about is your population pool are we talking about a mix of SSG and SGTs?
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He is a SFC. And the three Soldiers I will be rating are SSG, but I'm certain there will be a SGT or two later on. I also read in the reg that my senior rater, at a minimum is a CSM. Does that meany rater is the 1SG?
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Once upon a time, when the top 10% in an MOS got Proficiency Pay, The amount varied by MOS. I took the test for Artillery Fire Direction. It was divided into Cannon Gunnery, Rocket Gunnery, and Observed Fires. Regardless of my never having actually seen a rocket, I always did well in Rocket Gunnery. I could kill a multiple choice test
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Question for Senior NCOs,
I was in a Unit that the MTOE did not have slots such as Squad Leader or Team Leader so I was rated as a Compound NCO but my duties and scope reflect served as a Squad Leader. Since Squad Leader was not my principle duty title due to no slots on the MTOE will that affect my chances at making SFC? any and all feed back would be greatly appreciated
I was in a Unit that the MTOE did not have slots such as Squad Leader or Team Leader so I was rated as a Compound NCO but my duties and scope reflect served as a Squad Leader. Since Squad Leader was not my principle duty title due to no slots on the MTOE will that affect my chances at making SFC? any and all feed back would be greatly appreciated
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1SG, I'm currently a detail recruiter. My ERB and NCOER all say recruiter, but my supervisor is assigning me an additional duty of team leader to help him rate the other recruiters. Is this possible, will I be rated as a team leader or recruiter?
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Question for the Senior NCOs
If I'm slotted as an Illustrator (My TDA Position), but I'm also the Protocol/Registry NCOIC should my eval reflect these positions as additional duties?
Note: I work in a environment similar to the National Defense University (NDU)
If I'm slotted as an Illustrator (My TDA Position), but I'm also the Protocol/Registry NCOIC should my eval reflect these positions as additional duties?
Note: I work in a environment similar to the National Defense University (NDU)
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Cedeno, yes, they should be listed as your additional duty and if they consume a significant portion of time, those duties should be covered in your daily duties and scope.
Additionally, whenever entries are made to the Additional Duties or Special Emphasis but there aren't any bullets on the back relating to it, it doesn't help.
Was it really a "Special Emphasis" if it didn't even generate a bullet? Was it really an "Additional Duty" if it didn't even generate a bullet?
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I've seen this after updating the platoon UMR with S1 once a month. Our Training Room NCOIC is slotted as a Team Leader with the recon platoon. Should the NCOER have his duty position as Scout Team Leader? Should his ERB read Training NCO?
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CSM (Join to see)
NCOER will have Team Leader with the additional duty listed as Training Room NCOIC.
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