Posted on May 24, 2016
E4 non-promotable dismissed from BLC for failing test twice. Can he reenlist?
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Basic Leaders Course (BLC formerly WLC PLDC) Knowledge Army Regulations Retention NCO
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With the drawdown we are losing a lot of good Soldier so why would a commander allow a sub-standard Soldier re-enlist?
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
SSG (Join to see) - Maybe so but there must be some discriminator. If the NCOES system is poor, NCOs only have themselves to blame. Regardless off the quality of the course everyone must pass the same course. Not all E4s should be NCOs, maybe that is the problem. Social promotions (not child left behind) happens in public schools but should not be part of the military.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman - Why does everything that goes wrong on us Sir, we must hold Officers accountable, the Army is ran by them, NCOs have lost any power base they did have, so tthe changes need to come from Commisioned Officers, BS mandatory check in the block training, everything is hazing, we no longer train to standard, everything is high fast optempo designed poorly, gear sucks, everybody becomes yes men the higher they go up instead of addressing real concerns, Im just frustrated that no one wants to say enough is enough lets take back our branch and make them back into profficent killers
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CPT John Sheridan
SGM Erik Marquez - I have to agree with you on this. There are schools that are optional and accomplishments where success gives a mark of distinction. You wouldn't bar a soldier from reenlistment because he went to SFAS and didn't make the cut. BLC is a fundamental course, required for everyone to step up and stepping up is a requirement for a career in the Army.
Land nav as an example, in my view is a poor one. That is a fundamental leadership skill. When I went to Infantry OSUT, it was a required skill to graduate. I have personally seen the consequences of leaders who can't navigate. A combat support platoon that failed to make their LD time for Operation Berm Buster because their lieutenant was incompetent and couldn't find his way there, a signal team lost in the desert because their sergeant couldn't determine the difference between north and south with his compass, a combat support battalion that drove right through an MLRS battalion causing them to scrub a fire mission. Anyone remember Jessca Lynch? Personally, I believe that land nav is a fundamental skill and anyone who can't pass it should be booted from the Army.
It's true that everyone has bad days, but certain kinds of bad days have dire consequences.
I'm curious, why a unit would send a soldier to a basic skill course if they weren't 99.7% confident that soldier could pass the skills tests.
Land nav as an example, in my view is a poor one. That is a fundamental leadership skill. When I went to Infantry OSUT, it was a required skill to graduate. I have personally seen the consequences of leaders who can't navigate. A combat support platoon that failed to make their LD time for Operation Berm Buster because their lieutenant was incompetent and couldn't find his way there, a signal team lost in the desert because their sergeant couldn't determine the difference between north and south with his compass, a combat support battalion that drove right through an MLRS battalion causing them to scrub a fire mission. Anyone remember Jessca Lynch? Personally, I believe that land nav is a fundamental skill and anyone who can't pass it should be booted from the Army.
It's true that everyone has bad days, but certain kinds of bad days have dire consequences.
I'm curious, why a unit would send a soldier to a basic skill course if they weren't 99.7% confident that soldier could pass the skills tests.
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Current rules are if you fail an ncoes you get barred from reenlistment. Bar regulations, if it stays in place for 180 days seperation must be initiated.
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Mandatory Bar to Reenlistment
IAW AR 601-280, para 8-4e: Commanders must initiate a bar to reenlistment or separation proceedings (as applicable per AR 635-200) against Soldiers who meet the following criteria. Commanders are not required to initiate a bar to reenlistment on Soldiers who were promoted, selected for promotion by a HQDA promotion board for SFC-MSG, or reenlisted after the below listed incident(s) occurred.
(1) Do not make satisfactory progress in the Army Body Composition Program (see AR 600-9)
(2) Fail two consecutive APFT (See AR AR 350-41)
(3) Are removed for cause from NCOES courses (see glossary definition)
(4) Have lost PMOS qualification IAW DA Pam 611-21 due to fault of the Soldier.
(5) Are denied by the Commander for automatic integration onto the SGT or SSG promotion standing list IAW AR 600-8-19, para 3-17.
(6) Have an incident involving the use of illegal drugs or alcohol within the current enlistment/reenlistment period resulting in an officially filed letter of reprimand, a finding of guilty under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a civilian criminal conviction, or a conviction by court-martial.
(7) Have two or more separate proceedings under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice resulting in a finding of guilty by a field grade commander during the Soldier’s current enlistment or period of service
(8) Are AWOL more than 96 hours during the current enlistment/reenlistment period.
IAW AR 601-280, para 8-4e: Commanders must initiate a bar to reenlistment or separation proceedings (as applicable per AR 635-200) against Soldiers who meet the following criteria. Commanders are not required to initiate a bar to reenlistment on Soldiers who were promoted, selected for promotion by a HQDA promotion board for SFC-MSG, or reenlisted after the below listed incident(s) occurred.
(1) Do not make satisfactory progress in the Army Body Composition Program (see AR 600-9)
(2) Fail two consecutive APFT (See AR AR 350-41)
(3) Are removed for cause from NCOES courses (see glossary definition)
(4) Have lost PMOS qualification IAW DA Pam 611-21 due to fault of the Soldier.
(5) Are denied by the Commander for automatic integration onto the SGT or SSG promotion standing list IAW AR 600-8-19, para 3-17.
(6) Have an incident involving the use of illegal drugs or alcohol within the current enlistment/reenlistment period resulting in an officially filed letter of reprimand, a finding of guilty under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a civilian criminal conviction, or a conviction by court-martial.
(7) Have two or more separate proceedings under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice resulting in a finding of guilty by a field grade commander during the Soldier’s current enlistment or period of service
(8) Are AWOL more than 96 hours during the current enlistment/reenlistment period.
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