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I am rolling upon 7 months since I separated from the Navy. In that time, I have applied for Federal Law Enforcement, Executive Protection, other federal positions, Local Law Enforcement, and Oil and Gas Industry Jobs. I attended a VA approved course called Battlefields to Oilfields and earned my certification as an HSE Safety Technician tailored to the oil industry. Every job interview (nearly 40 of them) have led nowhere. The hiring managers say that I am too high-speed for anything they have at their company or they laugh at the idea of paying me entry-level, but I don't have the experience to be places directly into upper-level management.

I am going to be attending a VA approved IT certification course next week for my CompTIA A+ certification and hopefully job placement with a company that actually hires veterans, no matter how "big and complex" their resume is.

Background: 13-years in Navy, former Russian Diplomatic Interpreter, B.S. In Interdisciplinary Studies (Math/Physics, Computer Science, & Behavioral Science), nuclear weapons inspector, nuclear power plant decommission monitor, and an NSA analyst). The goal of separating was to have a more stable life with my family (wife and 6 kids) while working in either law enforcement or the oil industry.

Have any of you "overqualified vets" found gainful employment worth sharing? Share your story, please.
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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PO1 Mark Filter Welcome to the civilian life. Since your going to take the CompTIA A+ certification course, one thing I do have to say is study and don't worry about a job during that time. That course is easy to grasp if your into computers, but the amount of information involved is extremely great. In that course you will not only know about computers but you will also know about the OS, not one but all to include servers and networking. Study and memorize as much as you can.
Hold off on the job search and worrying about work because you will not need that.
Why study? Because the only thing you will not know is what's on the actual exam.
No one will know, not even the school. Know the files in every OS (Tip).

When you pass, most likely you will go into a job placement, were you will have to gear your resume to reflect that. May be your experience in computers is zero but that ok, you will enter in Entry level if that's the case. Perhaps when you start to work you will be a contractor doing something in IT, such as Windows 7 Migrations. These people hire many new people because they have experts like me to teach them how to set up the bios in a computer or laptop for a build, How to provision Windows 7 for that PC and how to start the build. Then its deployment, talking to the users, getting them ready for a replacement backing up there computers files and restoring it in the new PC.

I have allot of years experience working IT I am an A+ Certified Tech and have been working in that field since I got my certification.
I was unemployed on May 1 2014, because the 5 year contract ended.
I had an interview Monday, 10/6/2014, for a position in doing Windows 7 Migration and since I had experience working in a bank here in NYC as IT, I already knew the job.
During the interview I was dressed with a blue pinstripe suite, blue collar shirt and tie with black shoes and socks. I looked like a Wall Street Attorney at law. But during the interview I was asked questions about my resume, but rather then just answering questions I turned it into a conversation, meaning I ask how do they provision there software, when I get answered, I would then tell them how we did it in the bank, we rolled into how we dealt with people, how the back up are done and I managed to teach them something new about deployments they never know.
I was recommended by a senior technician who works there, whom by the way also worked with me and I taught him how to do the job. So thing was that when I was asked "Do you have any more questions?", I said yes "When do I start?" lol
I came home and about 2 hours later I was offered the position and I accepted it. My start date is 10/20/14.

But when I actually start, there are allot of things I will need to know, that I haven't seen before of which I'm highly interested in, I told them what it was, but along with that I will treat each client with equal respect and equal service.
It is a temp position until I can find something permanent, but that will go into my resume.
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CMSgt James Nolan
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PO1 Mark Filter Since you broached the topic of Federal Law Enforcement, shoot me a message and we can talk. Don't have all the answers, but have "been there, done that". Vets do get hired regularly. Here is the rub. We take 40,000+ applications for say 100 jobs-you have to be special, and right place-right time.
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SSG Robert Webster
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PO1 Mark Filter, My question to you is "What do you really want to do?"

In reviewing your comment, it seems that you do not have a specific goal in mind. If you are interested in LE or Executive Protection Services, then make that your goal. If you are interested in the Oil and Gas Industry, make that your goal. To be honest with you, I do not see how a computer certification can help with either one of these goals, especially law enforcement.

If your resume is as scattered as your statement here, that is part of the problem. Being "Jack of all trades, Master of none" as your statement implies, does not present a good and stable applicant to the hiring manager, etc..
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I would figure 13 years of service to the U.S. Navy would prove that I have loyalty and commitment to an organization. The IT training was an attempt at trying something new, and it IS a skill set that Gavin De Becker & Associates showed interest in future applicants.

Certainly IT experience is of interest to Federal LE Agencies for cybercrime and missing person cases.

As for general LE, of course IT would be a waste and I agree with you there.

For 5 months I was focused on one goal: entering into the oil industry. It wasn't until two weeks ago that I changed the wording of my LI account to focus on Private Security.

I believe that the best course for me is to infiltrate a company in the oil industry with a watered down resume, network, eventually show my full qualifications in order to get a specific job that I would have my eye on for a few months.
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Considering that I have been associated with and working in the IT field and industry for 25+ years, I wonder who advised you on selecting the A+ certification as opposed to the Security+ certification which would probably be a better fit for the LE/Private Security industries. And there are other IT certifications better suited for this area than the A+ certification. You should discuss this with whomever you consider your education advisor. I wish you luck.
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1SG Mark Colomb
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PO1 Mark Filter, if you want into the security profession, join professional organizations, such as ASIS International. Since you have indicated you are willing to pay your way for education, take the Certified Protection Professional course and get certified. From there you can branch out into IT security, Personal Security, and Physical Security certifications.

In today's market, third party certifications carry significant weight in most industries.
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Yes. I am currently going through Executive Protection Institute (EPI), owned by International Protection Group, LLC. On the 24th, I will have my credentials as a Personal Protection Specialist/Close Protection Specialist.
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PO1 Arthur Rin
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Hello Mark,

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SPC Jason Tapert
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I'll never understand that. When I first got out I went to ALOT of interviews and every one seemed to tell me I was "overqualified" If we were over qualified we wouldn't be interviewing for the position. Just keep on trying someone will see the true worth and hire you. My first job I scored out of the service was at fast food and the only reason I got it was because the manager s dad was a Vietnam vet and he was "tired of seeing vets on the streets" All be it I was only there about 4 months before moving on he gave me the confidence I needed to keep going to interviews and bettering myself.
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PO1 William Tillotson
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Have you tried "Head Hunters"? I got my current job from Orion International. The companies pay for the opportunity to talk to you and possibly hire you. All you have to do is show up in your Sunday's best!! Check them out, what do you have to lose?

Orion International, Bradly Morris, Absolutely American, Honor Bridge, Lucas Group just to name a few.
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Thank you, and I will. I have had no luck with Oil Industry Head Hunters as of yet.
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SPC William Bowe
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Although I hate to hear this, It's nice to know I'm not the only one. I graduated in 2009 with my Masters of Business Admin and had two other degrees before that. I spent four years active duty and then eight years in college just to be told I'm overqualified for everything. I have worked volunteer positions and minimum wage jobs just to help build an already overbuilt resume.

I can't buy an interview to begin with. When I do get an interview, or sometimes as many as six with the same company, I never seem to make the cut. I agree with Major Petrarca who said, "Personally I think 3/4 of the advertised jobs out there on the web sites and newspapers don't even exist." Sometimes there are as many as 120 people going for the same job, when the job does exist.

I think we have a really bad job market and many of the people who have been employed for decades have a horrible attitude toward those of us who have been struggling. Some people would rather toss around insults than say anything helpful. All I can say is keep pushing and keep active. That's what I'm doing. Switch up your tactics from time to time and your strategy too. Be willing to consider anything. Right now I'm stocking shelves at Food Lion, nights, and stay at home Dad, days, while I continue to look for a career. Thank goodness my wife landed a good job straight out of college or we'd be hurting.
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My wife is a stay-at-home mother with six kids at home. Trust me when I say...I will say yes to any job offer that actually lands in my corner. I have just rewritten my resume today which states literally that my entire time in the Navy was classified and I omitted my two degrees. I will be applying to several places tonight. If they want under qualified, they will at least get it on paper. I just need to get my foot in the door and then take over whatever business I start working at and then I will simply hire Veterans! Sound good? (-;
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