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Posted on Oct 6, 2016
Employment strategy - be patient, or apply early? Should a person start applying for careers prior to completing education?
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I am in my Junior year of my undergraduate in Interntational Politics. My intent is to complete my undergrad, and pursue a Master's in Community and Economic Development. I have continued to do market research as I am completing my degree, and am starting to wonder, When is the appropriate time to apply for jobs. There are several perfectly suited jobs available now, but they want the master's.
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Please note what you said. You are finishing your undergrad but they want a masters... i'm thinking they want a masters. Have you considered internships (paid or otherwise)?
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I've considered internships, but have had little luck finding anything. I chose instead to pursue volunteer work that I could use to create a portfolio and build my resume. I took on a volunteer position with my city's fire department, where I was quickly promoted to Treasury Secretary after obtaining the city a substantial $120k grant for the acquisition of new personal protective equipment, I digitized and organized a highly disorganized and outdated system of record keeping, and I am currently working on writing another grant request for the department to obtain for them a $300k grant to replace our Tanker, as well as a grant for the city to rebuild a 100 year old playground. Keep in mind, the "town" I live in, has a population of about 300 people, and the equipment that had been in use by the Fire Department was over 30 years old. I felt that roles like this, and potentially a city council role in the future would lay the groundwork for detailed accomplishments that would be hard to come by with internships meant for 18 year-olds with no life experience, but that plan involved putting off the application process for a few more years, which gave me time to complete my masters.
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Sgt Wayne Wood
Volunteerism is a good resume' enhancement... but doesn't pay much :-) ... look at non-profits. From time to time they have openings. They do n't pay much but they give out REALLY IMPRESSIVE SOUNDING job titles in lieu of pay... long hours, shitty jobs... but fiil space on the resume'
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What's getting lost in this discussion is the notion of "responsiveness" to an announcement. If you don't have the pedigree, you're nonresponsive. They are looking to fill now, not 1 1/2 years from now. If you're early, you want to be no more than 6 months early with an available date in your resume. Then you're hoping the candidates they have are crap and maybe they'll lower the bar. I was a hiring manager on the Fed side for years and the HR staff weeds out the nonresponsive stuff before it hits anyone's desk who might care. Larger local governments do that as well. I disagree with the early and often comment. Managers that get repetitively hit with nonresponsive stuff with the same name attached are more likely to get annoyed and label that person as clueless. Not good.
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Thanks CAPT Kevin B., those were some of my concerns. I had several people using the "what's the harm, worst case scenario they don't hire you" line out there, but I was concerned on how it would impact my reputation. I'm not so concerned about that, because I am looking to move when I do finish my schooling (or before if I got hired) so I am not likely to apply to the same position twice, but I still would prefer not to have a reputation that gets my resume tossed before anyone sees it. I'm also a bit unsure about what height to shoot for. When I finish my degree, I will be 31 years-old with a BA in International Politics and a Master's in Community and Economic Development, with 9 years as a Civil Affairs Specialist in the USAR. Other than that, I have several short-term roles like a volunteer state coordinator for a presidential superpac and a very successful stint as a Treasury Secretary for the local fire department, but other than that, I have very little in the field of ACTUAL experience in the job. I would like to think that with the education (and not being 21) I would be able to shoot for a higher level position off the bat, in a smaller town, but is that being unrealistic?
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I would still try to develop some sort of work History connect with Your career goals to supplement the education and make You more marketable than a person that has only the degree. In hte long run You resume may get more attention than someone that hasn't added the work credentials.
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I suggest reviewing the county websites and city websites in your area for entry level positions. Local government work is competitive and can sometimes take a long period of time to get hired on. I understand that director positions require a minimum amount of experience working in government and administration before being hired as the manager of an organization. Entry level positions can include administrative assistant, director's assistant, and so forth. Additionally, some county governments offer a citizen's academy that provides an overview of county operations for eight or twelve weeks, which can be helpful for networking and meeting the people that would hire you in the event that you made it to that point in the process. Hiring new people can depend on their budget.
I have come across many service people and veterans from all different backgrounds in the training I have completed. Civilians in government love to channel veterans into law enforcement careers. Law enforcement training is helpful because it gives you a background in one aspect of the government. The chain of command in the law enforcement is very similar to the military. The chain of command in law enforcement is decentralized.
The important thing is to get into the pipeline. Once you are in the pipeline and are interviewing, then explain to your potential employer your situation.
I hope this helps!
I have come across many service people and veterans from all different backgrounds in the training I have completed. Civilians in government love to channel veterans into law enforcement careers. Law enforcement training is helpful because it gives you a background in one aspect of the government. The chain of command in the law enforcement is very similar to the military. The chain of command in law enforcement is decentralized.
The important thing is to get into the pipeline. Once you are in the pipeline and are interviewing, then explain to your potential employer your situation.
I hope this helps!
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Apply to every single job that tickles your fancy. No matter the requirements, if you meet them, what have you. You never know what could happen so be aggressive out there. It's a dog eat dog world and you have to jostle for position. Good luck!
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Start your Search and decide what field you want to go into before you graduate...
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To add to the description (I ran out of space) I have been in Civil Affairs for 9 years, with an emphasis on Support to Civil Administration, I have a year left on my undergraduate degree in International Politics, then will have an additional year for my Master's. The jobs that I plan to apply for are city jobs working as a Director of Economic Development. The question arises, because doing the market research, I have found several perfectly suited careers in the field, all of which want approx. a Masters and 5-7 years experience. Do I throw darts in the wind and apply for these jobs as they open, even without the requirements, or do I continue to wait until I have the Masters completed?
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I can appreciate the fact that you clearly have your life together more than most others your age. But that being said, I would advise not applying for positions that you clearly do not meet the minimum requirements for. I know you said you did it with a previous job, but there is a big difference between a "GPA" requirement and a "masters + 5 years experience" requirement. In my experience it does not make the applicant look like an ambitious go getter, but rather they appear ignorant and unable to understand simple instructions and I'm normally bothered that my time was wasted reviewing someone that clearly did not meet the need. There will be plenty of opportunities in the future, don't worry about what your not getting now.
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1SG (Join to see) - Those were my concerns exactly in regards to applying even though I don't meet the minimum requirements... I was just questioning whether with the endless amount of openings in the field right now, if there aren't some smaller cities who would struggle to find a candidate that met those requirements.
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SPC Erich Guenther
SPC(P) (Join to see) - OK if your reporting to the City Council and City Manager (yeah that's like a Mayor) they are going to want the degree first for probably all cities of various sizes. You know with a smaller City if your curious you can call the City Clerk and ask what he/she thinks on flexibility or have them refer you to HR. It's not going to hurt you to do that in a few cases. You know with Cities this is pretty easy for you because I just Emailed the Mayor of Milwaukee a few weeks ago and had a brief conversation with him about rail transit. His Email was online. He was very polite and gracious and non-political.
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PO2 Sam Corean
You can always start in a small city. I used to live in a "city" called SouthWest Greensburg, PA. It consisted of a handful of city blocks right smack in the middle of the actual city of Greensburg. Our mayor was about 21 years old and clearly zero experience running a town or even a student body government meeting (as evident by the constant OTJ training he got during city council meetings). He was a decent dude, had heart, and everyone liked him. A little bit of hard work, got elected, and that guy has a pretty awesome bullet point on his resume.
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