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So during my 23 year career, I would often hear conversations about accreditation of the E-PME program. It often was sung to the tune of a service member that completed their entire resident and non-resident courses would earn a Bachelor's Degree in Military Studies at the end of the E-PME path. We have a process on place that works very well for the Officer PME path, top level schools award officers Master's Degrees upon completion; so why can't we marry the E-PME route up a bit closer with the Officer's path?
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Old thread, but loved the concept.
As a suggestion for 'core credits'
There's usually 120~ Credits to a B/S or B/A degree. That said, figure out what the break down is for a standard degree and work backwards from there. Using the MCI (our E-PME path) from Gunny back (Gunny's Course, SNCO, SGT, CPL, etc). Once you know those, fill in the blanks, and develop additional MCI / Correspondence courses or say these DSST/CLEP are used for the MCU (Marine Corps University) Degree Completion.
As an example, upon completion of Cpl-SNCO course (which you can complete as a Sgt), you are "eligible" for the A/S from MCU "if" you have your core classes (30 credits) which include CLEP English, CLEP Math, "Technical Writing" & X, Y, Z
SGT (Join to see) CWO3 Brent Kern SSG Oliver Mathews
As a suggestion for 'core credits'
There's usually 120~ Credits to a B/S or B/A degree. That said, figure out what the break down is for a standard degree and work backwards from there. Using the MCI (our E-PME path) from Gunny back (Gunny's Course, SNCO, SGT, CPL, etc). Once you know those, fill in the blanks, and develop additional MCI / Correspondence courses or say these DSST/CLEP are used for the MCU (Marine Corps University) Degree Completion.
As an example, upon completion of Cpl-SNCO course (which you can complete as a Sgt), you are "eligible" for the A/S from MCU "if" you have your core classes (30 credits) which include CLEP English, CLEP Math, "Technical Writing" & X, Y, Z
SGT (Join to see) CWO3 Brent Kern SSG Oliver Mathews
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Mr. Kern,
I'm not sure I completely understand the E-PME program. Doesn't E-PME focus solely on military studies? If so, how could E-PME translate into a bachelor's degree if it doesn't require additional courses in communications, humanities, social sciences, physical sciences and math?
I'm currently pursuing a bachelor's degree, and my first couple of years were spent on core requirements in general education. It's my understanding that officers also complete these core requirements in their degrees. I don't understand why we enlisted service members would get a short-cut to a degree by just doing E-PME.
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CWO3 Brent Kern
Shelby,
I think that is some of the problems that were faced while trying to get this off the ground; how do you match up the core competencies with the average college/university to the E-PME process. There have been several conversations that I have been privilege to with respects to online college courses becoming required PME for the enlisted member; this could take care of the core classes. Many people opposed to this thought argue that the opportunity is there through tuition assistance. I look at it as another incentive to keep people on active duty, the person that joins and does 20 years of service upon running through the entire syllabus of a standardized (that is another problem) profession education would walk away with more than a bunch of sea stories and some cool stuff to hang on a wall. I don’t know that I have an answer to it or if there is even a need, just remembering days of old and conversations that were never completed. Good luck in your studies, obtaining that degree is the single most important thing that you can do for your future.
I think that is some of the problems that were faced while trying to get this off the ground; how do you match up the core competencies with the average college/university to the E-PME process. There have been several conversations that I have been privilege to with respects to online college courses becoming required PME for the enlisted member; this could take care of the core classes. Many people opposed to this thought argue that the opportunity is there through tuition assistance. I look at it as another incentive to keep people on active duty, the person that joins and does 20 years of service upon running through the entire syllabus of a standardized (that is another problem) profession education would walk away with more than a bunch of sea stories and some cool stuff to hang on a wall. I don’t know that I have an answer to it or if there is even a need, just remembering days of old and conversations that were never completed. Good luck in your studies, obtaining that degree is the single most important thing that you can do for your future.
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Chief,
Perhaps they would feel the need to pay the Enlisted soldiers more, and i think that scares the hypothetical "them"???
Honestly it sounds like an awesome idea.
Perhaps they would feel the need to pay the Enlisted soldiers more, and i think that scares the hypothetical "them"???
Honestly it sounds like an awesome idea.
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CWO3 Brent Kern
Yeah, that would be horrible. Still crazy to me though in nearly a quarter of a century at least on the Marine Corps side we couldn't crack the code on the E-PME path. We can't even keep a clear path of requirements.
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CWO3 Brent Kern
Yeah, that would be horrible. Still crazy to me though in nearly a quarter of a century at least on the Marine Corps side we couldn't crack the code on the E-PME path. We can't even keep a clear path of requirements.
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