Posted on Oct 31, 2018
Madison Holloway
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Yeah, I know, you've all told me that I'm never going to get into any branch of the military with only one kidney. The Army has already disqualified me and now I'm in the middle of trying to enlist in the Air Force. People keep telling me that I have no chance of joining, but I'm making more progress than you've all expected. My recruiter has my medical papers and he knows all about my one kidney. And yet, he didn't turn me down and give me an automatic disqualification. He said I can go take the ASVAB, which I took today and scored a 94 on, and then he said that he'll send my scores down to be looked at so that I can be considered for MEPS.

So....when does this so-called "automatic disqualification" show up, because I ain't seeing it. I took the ASVAB, scored high on it, and now I'm being considered for MEPS. And what happens when my recruiter says I'm in the clear for MEPS? What happens when I pass the physical and MEPS lets me swear in? What happens when they notice that my one kidney doesn't impede me in any way? Chances are you all will still be saying "You're never gonna get in! You're disqualified!"

I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in.
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Lt Col Walter Green
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You know, the strange thing is that the medical standards are there for a reason. The reason is not to keep you from joining one of the armed services; they are they to keep you alive. With one kidney, if that kidney fails due to disease, accident, or wound in combat, you will be instantly in a critical medical condition. And as you grow older, you will experience situations where your one kidney will be a real risk exposure - my wife lives with one kidney and pays constant attention to ensuring that the one she has stays healthy. Military medicine can work wonders, military medical evacuation can get people out of the combat theater to major medical facilities rapidly. But what you are betting on is that the tactical situation will allow your evacuation, that the forward area medical facility you end up in will have the capability and expertise to deal with a kidney failure, etc. As an Air Force officer I have been stationed places (on an island off North Korea, on a mountaintop in Alaska, in northern Luzon) where depending on the weather our site medic with minimal equipment and no special renal care knowledge or experience might have had to keep you alive for days before rescue could have gotten you out. The second half of this is that you become a competitor for scarce resources in the medical system and a problem in assignments. Yes, I know with respect to the other services on here the Air Force may seem like it is a low threat environment. But I commanded combat crews and a squadron with a combat mission. The last thing I needed was to have to worry about the health of my people and how that health might limit what I could ask them to do. It becomes even more problematic when you cannot be deployed overseas. Now someone else has to go in your place. That also limits your career prospects by making it difficult to gain the types of experience that you need to progress in a career. Oh, and a hint, fix your attitude if you are accepted. Spending effort to prove people wrong so you can rub things in is stupid in any employment, but doubly so when you are working with professionals. Your career will finish very early if you don't fix that.
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MSgt Michael Madden
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Being in the Air Force no longer precludes you from convoy detail. The services are embedding in the sandbox.
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SPC Donald Moore
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You have the wrong attitude for military service. Even if you do make it in, you will likely have disciplinary problems and not be in for long. Just because they say they will 'consider' sending you to MEPS, does not mean that you are in. Several people were rejected at MEPS when I enlisted.
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LTC James McElreath
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MEPS is the only place that submits your paper work as medically qualified to enter the service or not. Secondly, unless it has changed the Army manages the medical side of the house at MEPS. Keep in mind to too your packet may had gone to MEPS, if it did they will still have a copy of it!
Did it ever occur that the Army Recruiter may had got tired of your attitude and took the easy way out, brushing you off stating you were not medically qualified. He/she was not wrong and you may see your disqualification again. SPC Donald Moore gave you some really good advice!
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SPC Ted Ronayne
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What do you know... 9 months later and still a "potential recruit" looks like those who offered you advice came out on top... And I'm glad, pettiness has no place in the military.
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MSgt Willie Stovall
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Well let's see Madison. With your a smart ass attitude, I predict you will get you butt kicked at least twice a month in the first year. After that should you learn to keep your mouth shut, you just might make it to the end of your enlistment. By then, you will be tired of taking orders and you will take discharge for the good of the service. Just a map of where you might be heading if you don't get the chip off your shoulder.
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TSgt Gerald Wilson
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It would almost be worth it to see that little pecker-snot get it. I'm thinking Security Forces would be a good place; first duty station Osan. MOPP 4, see you and your kidney in 12 hours...
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PO3 Sarah Adkins
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I deal with a lot of kids who think being cocky shows potential and leader ship. It shows a risk taker who will endanger the everyone around them. I’m sorry you are in this position. It sucks to not be able to follow a dream. But ask yourself is it your dream to serve or is your dream to prove you can serve. Because if you’re only doing it to prove you can you’re not gonna like your time in if you get a waiver. If people telling you no frustrated you to rudeness you are soooo not gonna like serving:
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LTC Vascular Surgeon
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A recruiter is not a doctor, and has no idea what medical recruiting and retention standards are. Your recruiter has one performance measure—move the meat and let ASVAB, MEPS, etc sort them out. And they will sort you out—thankfully, considering your demeanor on here.
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SPC Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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I’m just going to add my piece here.
First of all, the fact that you not only went into one recruiting station to have them tell you straightforwardly that your serious health condition is a disqualifier not under Army policy, but under DOD policy, but then went into a SECOND recruiting station to try your odds at that one was a blatant waste of your time and theirs. You have one kidney, that’s not something a MEPS doctor will risk their license to practice to clear. I know, it’s unfortunate and you probably would want to do anything to serve your country, but there are things that just cannot be done. Plain and simple, you won’t pass MEPS. They almost didn’t pass me because my feet were slightly flat around the edge of the arches. My arches are slightly flat and that might make my feet hurt, you’ve only got one kidney. You’ve got about an equal chance as a kid in an iron lung at this point.
Secondly, be aware that there are reasons why the military disqualifies individuals with certain conditions. If any perfectly healthy trainee were to fall off the top of an obstacle course, they’ll likely have to see the medics and go on a profile for a coulple weeks. If the same happens to you, you could die. The military realizes that having recruits die during training is not only a tragic happening, but it also hurts future recruiting opportunities when potential candidates read “Military recruit succumbs to injuries after falling off obstacle course” or “Recruit goes into cardiac arrest during PT Test.” It harms you, the military, and those recruiters who are just trying to do their job. One of my buddies went to basic with a kid who lied about having athesma who had an athesma attack during their first PT test in basic and died before they could even get him off the track. The DOD isn’t disqualifying you because they have a vendetta against people with one kidney, but because you have an extremely detrimental health condition that can kill you. C’mon, use that 94 ASVAB score.
Lastly, based off of your attitude and the fact that you originally came here and went from trying to gain knowledge from individuals who are in the military and understand the regulations regarding medical standards, to trying to prove everyone wrong whilst spitting in our faces, it may not be in your best interest to enlist. You’ve just insulted NCOs, SNCOs, Officers, and soldiers alike who would probably end up working with you if you were to get in. If that attitude carries over into basic training, your drill sergeants/drill instructors/cadre would likely push you to the point where you refuse to complete basic training. It happened to two trainees in my cycle. Should you miraculously make it through training and that same attitude carries over into your first unit, everyone in your unit will dislike you. Other lower enlisted will hate working with you, your NCOs will likely counsel you repeatedly, and your commanding officers will try and chapter you out at every turn. Understand that the actual military isn’t like what people think it is nowadays. Your NCOs won’t smoke you whenever you disrespect them, they’ll just give you negative counselings. Eventually, those counselings will turn into Article 15s, and then when you’ve lost your free time, your pay, and your rank time and time again, eventually you’ll get a dishonorable discharge.
Don’t be that guy, respect all these senior leaders with years of experience under their belts, and start turning in applications for civilians jobs that will help you develop a long term career.
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LCpl Teresa Safranske
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I spent 4 years in the Marines with only one kidney however they never knew it I didn't find out until after my time in the service, I do know they would not have allowed me in if they had known.
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Great response. Semper Fi Teresa.
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Madison :"I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in"

If you actually want to be in the military STOP THIS now. I am 10 years USAF (7 active, 3 Reserves) and this attitude will not make you any friends and quite a few enemies. When you succeed against odds you hold your head up high and you let your success talk for you. You don't become MORE petty than those who put you down.

Also rank and structure mean something; if you disagree with a decision go through channels and be respectful. If someone got something wrong and misdirected you because they honestly believed what they said how does being a DICK make you or the situation better??? It doesn't.

"I am an American Airman. My mission is to Fly, Fight, and Win. I am faithful to a Proud Heritage, A Tradition of Honor, And a Legacy of Valor." Be someone that others can be proud of...or get the hell out.
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LTC James McElreath
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I think you answered the youth in a way that maybe you got through to him. Young people can get an attitude and come off like an AH! The AF more so than any other branch will never tolerate a person who can't control themselves. I told you so, doesn't work when you want what the person you are talking to already have.
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SGT Darin Jenkins
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if the doctors at the meps disqualified you for the Army, the same doctors are going to disqualify you for the Air Force.
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