Posted on Dec 5, 2013
Fact or Fiction? If outside, under cover, you are not required to wear head gear.
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I get to hear a lot of interesting questions and stories.<div><br></div><div>Figured I would start postingg some "common" stuff that either I heard growing up or Soldiers have told me that they have heard.</div><div><br></div><div>Want to see what folks have been told, what they believe and what is actually right.</div>
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Posted 12 y ago
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CSM Mike Maynard Great post on the question of "What stuff have you been told or heard"? This forum is a thesis of and epitomizes the "What have you been told" question! I have seen enough incorrect quotes of regulations that it make me cringe to read anything!
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I wanted to say yes. But lately I have even seen people wear them in parking garages so I don't know. If other people have theirs on, I just put mine on.
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Has AR 670-1 changed or does The Army Band at Fort Myer, VA have some sort of exemption to the head gear rule while outside? I just watched a video of the US Army Band performing outside and under a open tent for the Old Gaurd Twilight Tattoo show. Not a single member of the US Army band had head gear on. I came across this conversation while trying to research this as a veteran now.
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CSM Mike Maynard
good question, maybe they were in "blues" and it was after 6? :-) or maybe they have an AR670-1 supplement they use. not sure.
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SPC Anthony Brown
CSM Mike Maynard Actually They were in ACU's and the new Class A uniform. Maybe it is a supplement they use. I have been out over ten years now and AR 670-1 could have changed.
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For the marine corps it’s if u have a roof over your head not a tree or something like that you can take your cover off
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They have areas with signs that explicitly state "uncovered area", and it's typically appropriate to take off your cover in designated smoking areas in billeting areas.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSgt (Join to see) - there was another discussion on here about who is authorized to declare a "no headgear" area.
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I would play it safe as the idea of outdoor is always open to interpretation. If the command implies that it is alright to consider overhead cover as indoors than I assume that you're safe to act accordingly.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SGT Tony Clifford - I would agree with you, but we go down a dangerous path when each person is able to define words and we as military don't have a common definition. That was kind of my point with the question - we need to eliminate/reduce ambiguity so that our orders/directives are clear/concise.
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You must be under cover at all times. Your hat is a cover, the roof is a cover, your fart sack is a cover, and so on. We spend too much time getting bent out of shape over dumb stuff and spending more time trying to get around the rules. Stop making simple things hard.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
CSM Mike Maynard - Since you want to play, the word cover can be found in several forms in AR-670-1 a total of 20 times.
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CSM Mike Maynard
Not "playing". I'm assuming all you did was a pdf search for the word "cover" in the AR 670-1. If you would have actually looked at the context of the searches you would find that it includes the word "discovered", "covered" and "cover". The only noun usage of the word comes from the description of a rain cover for a cap. The other uses of the word cover are adjectives (tattoos, mustaches, etc). Anyway, not once does it associate the word cover with headgear. That was kind of my whole point of the question, when we allow everyone to determine their own definition of a word, it creates chaos. Words in the military mean things and the more clearer/concise these meanings are, the less chance of a misunderstanding.
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CW4 Scott Hyde
You state above: " if the word cover was actually in the 670-, but it's not" with no mention of context and I pointed out the word cover is in AR 670-1 in several forms. Your turn.
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CSM Mike Maynard
CW4 Scott Hyde - you are correct, I did say that, guess I should have specified the word "cover" with respect to the question I asked, and not just the word.
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Unless given specific orders to remove headgear, it must be worn at all times.
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