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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
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just kinda sounds like you don't have any time for anyone who has mental health needs... like a sorry leader. You have mental health issues, you were born with them. We all do, that's why we're all different. The way we deal with things is all different. Who cares what that SM says to the therapist or been overseas or not. I've never been in the Navy but have the anxiety of being on a boat and drowning is my biggest fear. Fear keeps us alive, anxiety weighs us down
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I can appreciate many of the comments stating that PTSD is as difficult to define as there are circumstances and I feel an opinion about a right or wrong claim is not for me to offer. As a non-combatant 100%er who has benefited from the evaluation and extended treatment provided by the VA, I have witnessed a wide spectrum of my fellow group participants degrees of PTSD expressed, but that doesn't qualify me to say if it's real. What I can say is that many of us have worked very hard, while living with symptoms of PTSD, to reach a point of quality life and that is what is real to us.
To think that you can declare yourself "cured", declining to participate in treatment for what has been claimed as severe debilitation and then going about your day, as though nothing happened to you or others around you that also suffered from your condition, is one response. Although that behavior does seems suspect, I can also claim that I went through an extended period of denial about my PTSD before I was willing to make the necessary commitment for admission and change.
In the end, my concern is more about the unimaginable number of us who came home in less than one piece and either don't know it and/or don't know how to live with it. Where is it a valid concern that someone might game the system for their personal benefit, my focus is to participate in services, like Veterans Court, that can really make a difference in helping; first to identify negative behavior that is unique to service members as a result of their PTSD and then ultimately offering to guide them to treatment and a productive future.
Bottom line? Focus on healing yourself so that you can be of continuing service to others. Your pledge does not end with your tour.
To think that you can declare yourself "cured", declining to participate in treatment for what has been claimed as severe debilitation and then going about your day, as though nothing happened to you or others around you that also suffered from your condition, is one response. Although that behavior does seems suspect, I can also claim that I went through an extended period of denial about my PTSD before I was willing to make the necessary commitment for admission and change.
In the end, my concern is more about the unimaginable number of us who came home in less than one piece and either don't know it and/or don't know how to live with it. Where is it a valid concern that someone might game the system for their personal benefit, my focus is to participate in services, like Veterans Court, that can really make a difference in helping; first to identify negative behavior that is unique to service members as a result of their PTSD and then ultimately offering to guide them to treatment and a productive future.
Bottom line? Focus on healing yourself so that you can be of continuing service to others. Your pledge does not end with your tour.
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CPL Wilde Geist
I threw a guy under a bus in Los Angeles California and went to prison for it. Not a good idea. I would advise some other action unless you can get away with it.
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CPL Wilde Geist
I shot another in Hawaii in the heart, went to prison for it too. The trick is to not get caught.
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You don"t need to have fired your weapon in combat to have PTSD. I never fired mine in combat. The stress of seeing vehicles and equipment blown up. getting slammed with a concussion blast due to IED or mortar fire, having to force innocent people back with the threat of violence especially children just to protect them, can all lead to PTSD. I am medically retired from the military with 90% and my PTSD has been declared stable. Am I cured? Hell no. Am I living with the new normal? Yes and doing great even managing crowds on a small scale. Combat is not the only stressor that can cause PTSD. Date a woman who had to escape severe domestic violence by hiding in a women's shelter, and you will see what I mean.
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Ptsd wouldn’t be a “preexisting condition” when he joined the guard. He didn’t have to join at all.
Your argument is fucked up like a football bat. Sounds like someone stole your dog, or your wife.
If a soldier develops ptsd on active duty, but it isn’t diagnosed, not does it show itself, until after joining the guard, how is it preexisting, and what makes you think it’s fraudulent.
“Possibly used similar lies…” but you don’t know if he did. Why?
It’s none of your fucking business.
We got Mrs. Jessica fucking Fletcher over here.
Your argument is fucked up like a football bat. Sounds like someone stole your dog, or your wife.
If a soldier develops ptsd on active duty, but it isn’t diagnosed, not does it show itself, until after joining the guard, how is it preexisting, and what makes you think it’s fraudulent.
“Possibly used similar lies…” but you don’t know if he did. Why?
It’s none of your fucking business.
We got Mrs. Jessica fucking Fletcher over here.
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How would I “approach situation”? I wouldn’t, and I’d tell anyone who tries to follow your poorly written screed to do the same thing:
Mind your own fucking business.
I could tear apart your argument line by line, but haven’t the time. But I will point out this from your example. If it is an actual case-in-point and not some red herring, the fact that PTSD showed up years later is perfectly understandable.
If this is coming from “his family”, your entire post is worth about the same as my dog’s shit I cleaned this morning. Maybe he lied to his family to downplay his rating; maybe they lied to you to make themselves look better
Many individuals struggle with taking meds, especially when they start to work and the patient begins to think they’re cured. Let’s talk about that in 5 or so years.
The fact that the VA doesn’t allow some asshole to poke around in a patient’s protected medical files says to me they are doing their job. You have no right to know a thing about anyone else’s medical record, and the comments you make about why you think he’s lying show just how truly ignorant you are on the matter.
1. Ptsd isn’t only about firing your weapon. In fact, it isn’t about war. It’s about stress. Get it?
His symptoms show up when he is exposed to external stimuli, like uniforms and other military details. This happens rather quickly, within a year. Yep. That’s one way it can happen.
Again, mind your own fucking business.
You don’t know what is in anyone’s medical or psychological records, yet you are quick to say his PTSD comes from “gunfire”, therefore he shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm. I can’t comment on if your red herring should own a firearm or not. I can say, using your own “gunfire” requirement, that very few Air Force veterans would qualify.
Again, mind your own fucking business. Start digging around on someone’s VA records and it will bite you on your ass.
Mind your own fucking business.
I could tear apart your argument line by line, but haven’t the time. But I will point out this from your example. If it is an actual case-in-point and not some red herring, the fact that PTSD showed up years later is perfectly understandable.
If this is coming from “his family”, your entire post is worth about the same as my dog’s shit I cleaned this morning. Maybe he lied to his family to downplay his rating; maybe they lied to you to make themselves look better
Many individuals struggle with taking meds, especially when they start to work and the patient begins to think they’re cured. Let’s talk about that in 5 or so years.
The fact that the VA doesn’t allow some asshole to poke around in a patient’s protected medical files says to me they are doing their job. You have no right to know a thing about anyone else’s medical record, and the comments you make about why you think he’s lying show just how truly ignorant you are on the matter.
1. Ptsd isn’t only about firing your weapon. In fact, it isn’t about war. It’s about stress. Get it?
His symptoms show up when he is exposed to external stimuli, like uniforms and other military details. This happens rather quickly, within a year. Yep. That’s one way it can happen.
Again, mind your own fucking business.
You don’t know what is in anyone’s medical or psychological records, yet you are quick to say his PTSD comes from “gunfire”, therefore he shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm. I can’t comment on if your red herring should own a firearm or not. I can say, using your own “gunfire” requirement, that very few Air Force veterans would qualify.
Again, mind your own fucking business. Start digging around on someone’s VA records and it will bite you on your ass.
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Just because you think he's faking it doesn't mean he is. Every "lie"and stating he's cured could all be part of his PTSD. Many veterans are "ashamed" to admit weakness to others that don't have the same experiences to fully understand what PTSD can do to a person. Claiming to be a heroic sniper could just be his PTSD manifesting in compensating ways. He may feel he shouldn't have PTSD because he never fired his weapon, or that others wouldn't truly understand if he wasn't some kind of "hero." You're assuming he lied to the VA - but in my experience with VA, they leave no stone unturned to find truths. His military records would not support lies about his actual duties, etc. So all that said, I wouldn't approach this situation at all. The VA took their time in determining his diagnosis and eventually determined his disability is valid. You, nor I, have any knowledge or idea of what's going on with him. Just my humble opinion.
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