Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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Seems I've read that PTSD doesn't always occur quickly but can take several months, possibly years, to manifest. Hopefully this soldier is getting the help needed to put himself back together.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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taht is true, my situation which I have a hard time is putting the time loss in a recovery plan. I lost 13 yrs thanks to legal interference ... 13 yrs .. no job can make up for 13yrs ... no lottery .. why, because non of those call you daddy in a home you built to be a safe place for your children to group and graduate 6th grade at 12yrs of age ... No money makes up for that ... then along that time line, health degrades, chest wheezing at night, obesity .. no lady will want me, and if she does, it only for my benefits ... So i rather just focus on a getting land, quiet, two rabbits, and good old school cartoons .. and some good friends, and car garage ... and good part time work with a nice pool at the house to do the aquatic therapy at whatever hours i chose.
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LCpl Demon Scar
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All I have is the information you've given, and it's not enough! Just answer me this. How do you defraud a crooked government? So much damn corruption, but let's go nick pick about smaller issues. People can get PTSD from other episodes than combat. How about removing the illegitimate thieving clown Biden from the Presidency? How about getting rid of the Muslim traitors in congress? How about stopping the over-taxing of American citizens, and the embezzlement by money laundering our taxes through worthless programs and people. How about stopping sanctuary cities and taking back our taxes given to illegal aliens? Fraud is a liberal leftist term for anyone against their Chinese backers. Sure real warriors suffer, but comparing war wounds for compensation should be left to our own campfire chats.
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SGT Jon Hunter
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Larry, you're the clown.
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CPL Wilde Geist
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My 1st Permanent Duty Station was 3/75th Ranger Charlie Company Fort Benning Georgia 198601987 SOCOM. 118 GT Score. Lowest Score Clerical 113, and High 137 Intelligence. Maxed everything Basic Training. Completed Airborne School, Blood Wings 1st SGT Cherry with a broken foot and sprained ankle Zero Week. Maxed RIP. Top Gun Dragon Missile C2 ( 11B1PC2 ). Get on Delta Teams list #4 Man of Charlie Company 3/74 Ranger. CSM Littlejohn 75th Ranger gives me a job at 1st Ranger Company Cadre. Doing #4 Man work for Caspar Weinberger himself. My Contacts his very two man Security. Went to 533 MI in Germany, diverted to 2/3rd ADCOM to hide Nukes in a grape field. I wish I only did recognized Combat. I was lying in bed at Tripler Army Medical Center for 14 Months ( Discharged from the US Army while in TAMC ) when these Viet Nam Vets come to me, hey Nut ( my SOCOM Handle NUT C-927 ), turn on the TV your guys are on TV! I turn on the TV to see my buddies being dragged dead and naked through the streets of Mogadishu. I worked with GSG 9 Closely. I grew up in Germany and was trained by BND. I taught Canadian Special Forces. Worked for School of Americas and other ' schools '. I can not piss far; pee on my feet a lot. I hit the ground after getting hit in the face with a C 130 and burned in spilling my guts and torn my esophagus off my stomach. I killed American College kids on American soil for just seeing 'us' train to snatch Noriega. I have called for fire with AC-130-H's on Civilians. Never seen one day of recognized Combat. Assigned Alpha Company 5/19th SFG Airborne. Served with the Queens Hussars. GSG-9. And still do cyber shit with folks I can not tell you about. Never seen a day of Combat. But seen a lot of death and wallowed in a lot of body parts. If a human being has PTSD and is hurting, it is not your fucking job to make fun of the person! Shit happens. The biggest problem is Service Connection. Abolish monetary pensions for Service Connected Disabilities, REHABILITATE and get jobs for the hurt injured and wounded and make it worthwhile for my buddy who died being a real Soldier to rest in Arligton feeling like he died for something right! This is my best friend! He gave his all so you can talk shit about some Soldier filing a Claim? This Soldier has every right to file whatever the fuck he/she/it wants! I am speaking for my dead Buddy and he would concur http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/beprice.htm#:~:text=from%20combat%20wounds-,Chief%20Warrant%20Officer%20Bruce%20E.,U.S.%20Army%20Special%20Operations%20Command.
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SPC Kenneth Koerperich
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Edited >1 y ago
Prime example, I USED to work with a gentleman(ahole I should say) who got out with 2 Tours in Iraq/Afgan about a year ago. This guy has the balls to brag he's at 96% Disability Rating, YET, this MF'er lifts weights 4+ hours a day, runs up to 5 mi a day, and say's he's going to apply for the local PD.....NOW HTF can you get a rating like that, be physically fit, actually above par by a fair margin, and apply for PD(can't be PTSD, you'd never pass their Psych Eval stages x 3)....SO WTF did this guy do to get his rating...And I've spoken to many more, with ratings undeserved, and a few who should have gotten better ratings. Myself included. I was told my wrist, that had 2 metacarpals cracked, which healed out of place, so now my wrist isn't as strong, and my eff'd up spine from humping 110+lbs as Light Infantry meritted a ZERO, yes, ZERO rating.....I just don't get how people get away with this shit! I needed a rating, and got refused...
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SP5 David Dowdy
SP5 David Dowdy
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Don’t give up. Took me 30 plus years!!
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SSG Elyzabeth Cromer
SSG Elyzabeth Cromer
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96% is pretty high especially for someone who is that physically active and will need to sign a medical release to get hired for the PD so the issue most likely is not PTSD or another mental health issue. Off the top of my head some high percentage disabilities; migraines and fifth cranial nerve disorders both of which can be controlled with medication in some cases, testicle amputation if both have been removed is %30. Also remember applying for the Police department is not being accepted, the person you formerly worked with may not meet qualifications.
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SGT Michael Hearn
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There can also be classified tours not on the 6 o'clock news, JUDGE NOT BE NOT JUDGED
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SPC Juan Arevalo
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So your telling me if they are shot at but never fire a weapon that qualifies as faking it?
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SP5 Peter Keane
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While sitting around waiting for a VA decision, I used to go and read Court of Veteran Appeals decisions. Back about 2004, a fellow that had spent 1 enlistment at Ft Ord illlustrating combat manuals was awarded 100% PTSD. The Regional offices of the VA operate as independently as they can get away with.
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SGT Michael Hearn
SGT Michael Hearn
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IT IS NOT THAT EASY FOR MOST SO HAVE WAITED 40 YEARS SOME HAVE DIED WAITING I KNOW THE GRIND OF THE BEAURACTIC SYSTEM CALLED THE VA.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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Sad, but all to frequent.
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SGT John Ball
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By choice, I just won't get VA Disability. Sure, my issues would get me rated at least 70 percent. However, I still continue to work and if I can still work, I just won't make a claim. Yes, my wife screams to high heaven about my refusal to file a claim. I tell her, if I can still work, I am not that disabled, and I believe some other veteran needs it more than I do. Moreover, I make a very decent living with good benefits anyways.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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I find a better honor being able, and or willing to work, versus a scheming soak.
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MSgt B Grimes
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Edited >1 y ago
OK well I have heard so many responses to this and they vary quite a bit. Sounds like most responses are , 'who cares, why do I care, leave them alone, they deserve as much financial restitution that they can get, and so forth.
I'm guessing most reading this site are suffering similar personal issues, which I am not knocking on. I do realize that it manifests itself in different ways for different people.
The issue that I originally posted, and am truly concerned with is the trend for individuals who try and falsely claim PTSD, blaming the government! This has become so rampant. Our government is BROKE. Those who truly care and want to serve our Country should not be Stealing from it. It is only a matter of time before the government can no longer afford to pay retirement, or pensions, or disability, or other sort of welfare. We all volunteered! The individual I was speaking of had his problems prior to joining the military! A grade school drop out, he needed the Army to help him get a GED so that he could even enlist.
I can pretty much guarantee every member of the military was scared, or traumatized at some point in their career. We all need to be stronger and over come these traumatic experiences, whether through counseling, or over a beer with friends. Simply providing monetary reimbursement does not 'fix' the problems. Seriously, should I expect 100% disability for having to go through Basic training? That was incredibly traumatizing to me!
Maybe instead of basic training for strength & fitness, members should be mentally evaluated to see if they can handle the stress of WAR, COMBAT, or the associated stresses that come from the job they Volunteered for?
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