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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted 4 y ago
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The odds of someone convincing a VA disability assessor is REALLY slim. They’re literally trained to spot fakers specifically. As a vet with a 100% ptsd rating, I’m here to tell you, my good days do outnumber my bad. But my bad days are plentiful enough to make it impossible to find an employer that will put up with me because I AM at the end of the day, an unreliable employee. That’s what that 100% rating is all about. And my 100% total and permanent rating alleviates a lot of stress that would otherwise make my life even worse, because I don’t have to worry about a roof over my head or where my meals are coming from. Worries that otherwise would turn me into a basket case.
Not all PTSD vets are what you see on the screen (homeless, addicts, and/or socially dysfunctional beyond repair.) And the insistence of those stereotypes from folks like you REALLY cause folks with imposter syndrome a lot of grief. I should know. It took me 10 years of suffering with my ptsd, and being unable to hold a job because of my mental instability until I finally learned from my therapist that those stereotypes as default are bull, (I was insisting that I’m fine, I just need to try harder, because I’m not like THOSE people) and that while some folks do wind up that way, that the vast majority don’t. Most end up like me. Someone who looks normal but had their egg scrambled by the experiences of service (I only deployed once). My diagnosis are combat related ptsd, major depression, and multiple tbi’s. But if you saw me in the grocery store picking out produce, you’d never know until you saw the disabled veteran tag on the back of my car, then saw me change lanes to avoid the McDonald’s bag on the side of the road.
I’d suggest you mind your own business. It sounds like you’re trying to harm someone because you think their service is less valuable than yours, and that’s disgusting.
Not all PTSD vets are what you see on the screen (homeless, addicts, and/or socially dysfunctional beyond repair.) And the insistence of those stereotypes from folks like you REALLY cause folks with imposter syndrome a lot of grief. I should know. It took me 10 years of suffering with my ptsd, and being unable to hold a job because of my mental instability until I finally learned from my therapist that those stereotypes as default are bull, (I was insisting that I’m fine, I just need to try harder, because I’m not like THOSE people) and that while some folks do wind up that way, that the vast majority don’t. Most end up like me. Someone who looks normal but had their egg scrambled by the experiences of service (I only deployed once). My diagnosis are combat related ptsd, major depression, and multiple tbi’s. But if you saw me in the grocery store picking out produce, you’d never know until you saw the disabled veteran tag on the back of my car, then saw me change lanes to avoid the McDonald’s bag on the side of the road.
I’d suggest you mind your own business. It sounds like you’re trying to harm someone because you think their service is less valuable than yours, and that’s disgusting.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
I know what you mean, It is that you are tired of the run around bullcrap and complete imcompletions of everyone else and you are to blame. I am kind of same way, I like to be able to at least do uber lyft, something like that ... I had enough isolation in jail/prison because of police brutality ... multiple occurence ... major of those police lost their jobs, but I nearly lost my life twice .. once in front of my parents on their wedding anniversary so that complicates the "PTSD" ... and the state still refused to even take a case to settle for damages.
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I know people that are suffering from PTSD and I also know people who claim PTSD and have told their buddies what to say so they can get a check too.
My hat is off to anyone that is suffering from PTSD and my safety is off for the scammers. Nuff said.
My hat is off to anyone that is suffering from PTSD and my safety is off for the scammers. Nuff said.
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I’ve had my privacy invaded, my kids hurt and targeted, and have seen my life been destroyed by felony wiretapping. This Vet is going to get paid in full. Believe that
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I am not going to say much on this one other than to say that I know many veterans who tell their families and their doctors that they are doing better than they really are. They smile. They do whatever they have to do to get through the day. They don't take their medication or do not take as much as they should as they don't like how it affects their minds. I know some who hide or discard them when they come in as they have family members who look down on them for taking them and non-military/veteran friends who would look at them differently if they knew what and how much of certain medicines they were taking. If you have a concern about possible fraud, write to the VBA IG and let them know. If there is something to it, they will look into it. If not, there is nothing that needs to be done. You did your due diligence, now go on with your life and let them live theirs. I can tell you with 100% certainty, if they have PTSD or any other mental disorder, they are doing their best to stay out of a living hell every day. On the flip side, if you know a veteran with PTSD or another mental disorder, don't make things weird for them. Offer them a beer when they come around and be their friend if you can I am sure I got off-topic here, but this one hits me a little to close to home. I was a Hospital Corpsman. I never fired a weapon in combat, but some of the shit I have seen, the people who passed on my watch, whose bodies I had to clean and prepare... Anyway, if you do not know what someone has experienced, perhaps it is best that you just let them be.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
I think pills like Lithium, and Valproic acid are mislabeled or poorly advertised to treat diagnosis ... i was on those two, gained alot of weight, which I am still stuck with .. It took me threatening my Pysch with a Federal Investigations about the legitimacy of the medicine, then he advised me to get a PDR and help ID the missing Difference, as he agree that he believes me that it is very possible he is not informed fully and that I am right his knowledge from college on pysch is based up on what is taught, and how cold he see a different difference without my input ... I apologizes, and he looked into other medicine, took a special dedication to research real deep on personality meds that are non-narcotic, stuff that is not the usual normals of prescriptions but for the same concerns. it took about three visits, 6 months to get a "special order" with the lesser Class Substance (non narcotic, no with drawls), then he told me, i got lucky at a library and found books for sale which I was able to review the old original publishing from as far back as 1995, to 2003 to 2013, so we were able to peice up the findings and compare against his medical reference on the datalog, and sure there is difference, 2003 said lithium is know to make weight gains of 20% or more, which is exactly what happened to me. Concerns of Frequent Vomitt or desire to, more and uncommon. Other text said, weight gain possible, Vomit/puke rare. I like the other literature ... and even though that sounds simple ... .. you think about being 200lbs, and then take something that makes you gain 20%. First thing I am thinking this has to affect the horomones or body salt, and one book actually had a break down of the chemical structure, which you kinda of need a goo chemistry background, so when I read up on the lithium, thanks to my failed organic chemistry course, i was able to realize this stuff goes to your skin fat easy, but to reverse this, is near impossible, other than sweat/exercise the crap out and drink alot of water, but then you are in need to input vitamins, so how does that bond with the lithium and what offset chemistry does that create and which organs does that stress to produce a counter enzyme, then you have to figure in foods, because sometimes the body does not take the vitamins ... like for me I can't take large dose of Iron, I will have internal bleeding.
So you are right, I advice taking a college course on chemistry, study up your medicine at a chemistry level, understand molecular bonds, food chemistry, your disgestion, what has what acid and what organs produce what enzymes and do the mathematic bond to figure how it will travel through the body. Fat on the outside means more fat on your organs and brain. then the problem is what kind of fat, you can,but it can be very bad to melt that fat and it is rushed into the blood stream without the right fibers to remove those toxins ... i find that ZuPoo gut cleaner to work really good with oatmeal. You are best on a health no artificial sugars ... those artificial sugars with some of these med's .. I honestly think can be a death sentence. because the meds are complex compunds designed to give a kick stimulus, and artificial sugars can be like bad low octane gas in a high compression engine ... it can burn tissue scaring it or make a fatty non normal deposit, then you are caught up with "staged" poison ... what happens when that get heated in a workout, and you ending up having a meal which makes the wrong conversion ... you are sick ...
So what I try to do, it keep a daily log to track all my intakes, med's, herbs, workouts, exposures that trigger symptoms, sleep. And I will be honest, my mothly log book is full of more phone numbers to find work and or take notes on thing I study .. you maybe find 5 days complete of real straight information on my med/vitamin/herbal/workout. and or random flared up medical conditions. It is a little better, but at least there is a notebook, so if it really bad the medical can review to get a clue. So another thing I do I plan one day of the week, no meds, just clean food, lots of bottle clean water, teas ... nothiong else, no vitamins nothing ... and the results are .. i know where every ache is at and then I have to trace back in what did i do that week to make that hurt, how did I get my ankle to swell again, why am I getting this sharp pinch in the center of my foot and I can't put normal pressure on it ... I try to endure all those for 24hrs .. yeah right, 8 hours maybe ... but that is what I do, it is just advice to help you guys get a track you keep. I bought medical devices, like oxygen machine for my CPAP, just working on making adaptor, I have SPO2 oxygen meter, portable EKG that links to my phone so I can email it to my account then later to my dr if i found an abnormal heatbeat ... haven't caught that one, but found high heart beat rates, caught SPO2 oxygen drop, so now I keep a portable Boost Oxygen bottle in my room or close to where i will be, in the car, garage, outside .. just in case. I caught my Glucose at 201 when 30 minutes ago it was 80. Thank the cheap snack bars that i thought were ok, then when that dropped i went into a sugar shake chill .. Hypoglicema ... I drank alot of water and a Glucose emergency tablet and things came straight at 73 .... So that is just hints from what I dealt with ... and my dr's they link those information, it saves on the in person visit and phone chat, they read up on you , and are well, they usually can help coordinate consults for other specialities. Like with my breathing choking, I am going to a Speech therapy for examination and teach me how to deal with it because of how the straight neck alignment affects all this ... I never would have thought. but the one thing to never do with the VA staff is out smart them to the point you make them feel like you did their work. You just want to get the information, let them talk, educate ya, and understand what they say, so turn in the report, let them grade it, listen to what they say, and try to explain what they say in your words but making clear you have a good clue but you value their input ... It really works ... I tell my dr when i got really sick, and was on like 12 different tea's ... I said a antibiotics, doscycline, he said well I want you off the tea's ... because i am getting no results to work with. haha .... see how outsmarting your dr can back fire ... as much as it sucks, they need you to be able to make it sick so they can see. I been to exrays that produce negative images for injuries ... ... oh that one pissed me off ... I said impossible ... another one is this chest congestion ... it comes around when I lay down really bad, so take an xray when I laying down, dr would not do it ... I don't know if it is a cover up or some weird crap, but i can't wait to see if Pulmonary finds this and same with a civilian medical .. then what? you all tell me.
but I am going to cut this long memo here .. I hope my letter/memo is not annoying anyone.
Andrew
So you are right, I advice taking a college course on chemistry, study up your medicine at a chemistry level, understand molecular bonds, food chemistry, your disgestion, what has what acid and what organs produce what enzymes and do the mathematic bond to figure how it will travel through the body. Fat on the outside means more fat on your organs and brain. then the problem is what kind of fat, you can,but it can be very bad to melt that fat and it is rushed into the blood stream without the right fibers to remove those toxins ... i find that ZuPoo gut cleaner to work really good with oatmeal. You are best on a health no artificial sugars ... those artificial sugars with some of these med's .. I honestly think can be a death sentence. because the meds are complex compunds designed to give a kick stimulus, and artificial sugars can be like bad low octane gas in a high compression engine ... it can burn tissue scaring it or make a fatty non normal deposit, then you are caught up with "staged" poison ... what happens when that get heated in a workout, and you ending up having a meal which makes the wrong conversion ... you are sick ...
So what I try to do, it keep a daily log to track all my intakes, med's, herbs, workouts, exposures that trigger symptoms, sleep. And I will be honest, my mothly log book is full of more phone numbers to find work and or take notes on thing I study .. you maybe find 5 days complete of real straight information on my med/vitamin/herbal/workout. and or random flared up medical conditions. It is a little better, but at least there is a notebook, so if it really bad the medical can review to get a clue. So another thing I do I plan one day of the week, no meds, just clean food, lots of bottle clean water, teas ... nothiong else, no vitamins nothing ... and the results are .. i know where every ache is at and then I have to trace back in what did i do that week to make that hurt, how did I get my ankle to swell again, why am I getting this sharp pinch in the center of my foot and I can't put normal pressure on it ... I try to endure all those for 24hrs .. yeah right, 8 hours maybe ... but that is what I do, it is just advice to help you guys get a track you keep. I bought medical devices, like oxygen machine for my CPAP, just working on making adaptor, I have SPO2 oxygen meter, portable EKG that links to my phone so I can email it to my account then later to my dr if i found an abnormal heatbeat ... haven't caught that one, but found high heart beat rates, caught SPO2 oxygen drop, so now I keep a portable Boost Oxygen bottle in my room or close to where i will be, in the car, garage, outside .. just in case. I caught my Glucose at 201 when 30 minutes ago it was 80. Thank the cheap snack bars that i thought were ok, then when that dropped i went into a sugar shake chill .. Hypoglicema ... I drank alot of water and a Glucose emergency tablet and things came straight at 73 .... So that is just hints from what I dealt with ... and my dr's they link those information, it saves on the in person visit and phone chat, they read up on you , and are well, they usually can help coordinate consults for other specialities. Like with my breathing choking, I am going to a Speech therapy for examination and teach me how to deal with it because of how the straight neck alignment affects all this ... I never would have thought. but the one thing to never do with the VA staff is out smart them to the point you make them feel like you did their work. You just want to get the information, let them talk, educate ya, and understand what they say, so turn in the report, let them grade it, listen to what they say, and try to explain what they say in your words but making clear you have a good clue but you value their input ... It really works ... I tell my dr when i got really sick, and was on like 12 different tea's ... I said a antibiotics, doscycline, he said well I want you off the tea's ... because i am getting no results to work with. haha .... see how outsmarting your dr can back fire ... as much as it sucks, they need you to be able to make it sick so they can see. I been to exrays that produce negative images for injuries ... ... oh that one pissed me off ... I said impossible ... another one is this chest congestion ... it comes around when I lay down really bad, so take an xray when I laying down, dr would not do it ... I don't know if it is a cover up or some weird crap, but i can't wait to see if Pulmonary finds this and same with a civilian medical .. then what? you all tell me.
but I am going to cut this long memo here .. I hope my letter/memo is not annoying anyone.
Andrew
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I think we were "ON" under stress and we adapted to cope, witch developed some traits that are out of place in a western collective and it effects Egos in different ways. I am told I was born with a gap in my left Cerebellum in my language area, yet still fought to appear unaffected with successful results.
I think of things that are accurate ,yet hard to explain.
MOSTLY because I never knew it ,until 2016.
I'm 60% PTSD Desert Storm ,nothing scary... apparently I can't stop fucking scanning for things.
I think of things that are accurate ,yet hard to explain.
MOSTLY because I never knew it ,until 2016.
I'm 60% PTSD Desert Storm ,nothing scary... apparently I can't stop fucking scanning for things.
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You raise an interesting question regarding the diagnostic criteria of PTSD. Remember PTSD is a anxiety disorder that is triggered by devastating extraordinary events that lead to debilitating psychological and emotional disturbances. Intervention by a proficient mental health provider and anti-anxiety medication like Busperine can ameliorate the severity of PTSD and help the veteran facilitate his readjustment into civilian life. Based on my personal experience when I was engaged in volunteer work with the VA I met countless veterans who were claiming PTSD without producing corroborating evidence to substantiate their cunning attempts to bamboozle the VA into awarding them disability compensation. The DSM5R classifies this unscrupulous behavior as "Malingering" which is characterized by facetious fabrications and mendacious embellishments which are designed to mislead the VA into arriving at a favorable outcome for the "Malingering" importuning veteran. Capitalizing on pseudo-trauma for monetary gain is disgraceful and borderline sociopathic and diminishes the valor of authentic combat veterans who were severely traumatized by the grim realities of war. Most of the malingering veterans I met at the VAMC lacked any distinctive combat decorations particularly a Combat Infantry Badge, the ne plus ultra award of the wartime US Army. Most of the veterans I encountered at the VA hospital were staggeringly intellectually unsophisticated and were in dire need of not only educational improvement but also moral rehabilitation. The VA compensation program has transmogrified into a vast welfare program for undeserving veterans who are culpable of "stolen valor" and milking the VA for easy money. SPC Benjamin
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SP5 Ron Rowland
Please remember, you must have military records in your file that proves what happened!
Talk is cheap, proof is what the VA is looking for!
Talk is cheap, proof is what the VA is looking for!
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I spent six months in the Domiciliary in GA. My Dr, the Director of the PTSD Program at the VA wanted to have me undergo a specific type of therapy and believed it to be too “difficult” for me to do as outpatient as I had just come out of the ICU from a suicide attempt and was now in the psych ward. I agreed to do inpatient in the DOM and while there I heard so many people practicing their upcoming VA exams. There was actually an employee there that would help coach you if he liked you.
My roommate, who saw me triggered, who experienced my nightmares and bursts of rage from nothing would always ask me questions about my PTSD from combat and personal trauma in the military. What was I thinking when this happened? How did this or that make me feel? In the beginning I thought she was just trying to understand me more so she could help if needed. Nope, I found she was taking my experiences and stories to the doctor to help her get PTSD in her records so she could apply for a VA rating.
It backfired on her because she didn’t realize we had the same doctor at the VA and the doctor told me what was going on.
It should be noted that my DOM roommate was in the psych ward at the same time as I was. I don’t know what she told them she needed to be there for but she told me she just didn’t like being home alone. When I told her I had to go to the DOM she asked what that was. I said I did not know. She left and returned a few minutes later and said that when you go to the DOM you automatically get 100%. Next thing I know she was asking to to there. The other vets would always tell her she was just there for the mo why and she would get mad. Make a big scene. But she really was.
Sadly, that only meant she went to the Vet Center and started over having all of the information and was able to use AmVets to file a claim for her. I later saw her at the VA with a dog and service dog vest. It tried to attack my SD. She was excited and said, “did you know you can just go online and buy a vest and send a picture of your dog and they will send you a service dog ID for your dog.”
So as much as I would like to say that yeah, this guy probably does have PTSD. Too many red flags in that story. He definitely has problems though.
My roommate, who saw me triggered, who experienced my nightmares and bursts of rage from nothing would always ask me questions about my PTSD from combat and personal trauma in the military. What was I thinking when this happened? How did this or that make me feel? In the beginning I thought she was just trying to understand me more so she could help if needed. Nope, I found she was taking my experiences and stories to the doctor to help her get PTSD in her records so she could apply for a VA rating.
It backfired on her because she didn’t realize we had the same doctor at the VA and the doctor told me what was going on.
It should be noted that my DOM roommate was in the psych ward at the same time as I was. I don’t know what she told them she needed to be there for but she told me she just didn’t like being home alone. When I told her I had to go to the DOM she asked what that was. I said I did not know. She left and returned a few minutes later and said that when you go to the DOM you automatically get 100%. Next thing I know she was asking to to there. The other vets would always tell her she was just there for the mo why and she would get mad. Make a big scene. But she really was.
Sadly, that only meant she went to the Vet Center and started over having all of the information and was able to use AmVets to file a claim for her. I later saw her at the VA with a dog and service dog vest. It tried to attack my SD. She was excited and said, “did you know you can just go online and buy a vest and send a picture of your dog and they will send you a service dog ID for your dog.”
So as much as I would like to say that yeah, this guy probably does have PTSD. Too many red flags in that story. He definitely has problems though.
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PTSD CAN NOT BE CURED IT'S ALWAYS WITH YOU. IF HE IS IS CURED , THROW HIM JAIL FOR FRAUD
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