Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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SFC David Pratt
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My question to you is this: what qualifies you, as an USAF Loadmaster, to be the arbitrator of this individuals disability?
Again, to my previous point, which may be revolutionary amongst military circles... mind your own business.
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SFC Erin Barnett
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I get it and sympathize. Non-Combat PTSD is a challenge for me to grip as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. I know a guy that just really flipped out on the entire family separation thing, needless to say his marriage ended ugly and he refused to seek help. Trauma is defined as "a deeply distressing or disturbing experience". Even Civies are being diagnosed with it now days. Could he have faked it, sure, but he would have to have been really convincing to get it by the folks at the VA.
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Like the SSgt said PTSD doesn't come from just combat or have to do with having a gun. Fact is your probably right and he is conning the govt and taking away benefits from those that truly deserve it. I don't care if the person had issues prior to enlisting, he shouldn't receive jack; but that is not what the military follows. Trouble is the military has "left" so many loopholes for everything; you can literally go through basic and get to A school and start seeing a doctor and know exactly what to say or not to say thanks to the DSM that they post everywhere. Or just google PTSD symptoms. Medical is not going to oppose it, why would they? Risk backlash? NO ONE in the chain wants a black mark for questioning anything to do with HIPAA or PII these days, everyone has their hands tied so tight it's got ridiculous. Mental health is like a buzz word for 'leadership' these days, everythings about mental health and suicide awareness, emails, town hall meetings etc. I have a E8 that regular sends out posts and emails about suicide awareness, its only for show, so the guy signing his fitrep can see what a stellar leader he is. He doesn't care at all, I know he told me. People like that make me sick, but its what the military has become, we have lost sight of what matters and people use the 'rules/unwritten law' to their benefit. Which is why I can't wait to retire.
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Stand down bro. Not your place. Just concentrate on your stuff.
SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy
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Stay in your lane, you're not a Doc nor can you claim to be able to diagnose anything. If the VA decided, after 12 years, that this member has PTSD and is entitled to benefits, then that is the VAs decision, and that's as far as it goes.
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SGT Jon Hunter
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I'm curious what relationship this soldier is to you. How is this guy's history important? What specifically is your interest in all of the issues mentioned?
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LCDR Mike Morrissey
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During Desert One, female officers were housed in Kobar...nice facilities and all. What could go wrong? This was before the missiles. Within a few days of my wife’s billeting there, she discovered females needed to barricade their doors. It wasn’t the Saudis. It was the Americans. She handled it but was called to help the younger women traumatized within just a few nights. So debilitating PTSD after just a few days is probable. I’m still dealing (better) with one particular mortar and assault attack from 1970 but it’s taken a long time.
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SSG Bill Moore
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There's a big broad desert out there for shit bags. I'm sure the mob would know of a few clean spots
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SGM G3 Sergeant Major
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Possibly serves one overseas tour on active duty?
Do you not know? Or are you assuming that he could be lying about a deployment?
Bringing up a PTSD claim upon notification of deployment in the Guard sounds like trying to get out of a deployment.
If it took 12 years of filing to get the VA rating, it sounds like his paperwork had a lot of holes in it.

The VA does catch these people after the fact, if someone points it out.
If he is charged and found guilty of making false statements in order to get VA compensation, he could face up to five years in federal prison and up to a $250,000 fine, and obviously get his 100% payments cancelled.
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MSgt B Grimes
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How does one go about 'pointing this out'? The VA does not have any avenues for this, only first hand direct knowledge of situations, not "he told me", and I'm reporting it.
The individual has lied to many of his family members over the years, declined medicine prescribed to him, (Wife said he threw it away, saying he didn't really need it) Once he received 100% disability, he then told his family he was cured. I believe PTSD is curable if not manageable through counseling, but now have learned that money can fix it. So if he is 'cured' and no longer has the PTSD, then why does this member still require benefits for life?
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MSgt B Grimes - As I asked above - how does this personally affect you? Why do you care?
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WITHOUT DOCUMENTS NO CHANCE OF SC
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CW4 Rodney Burnett
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I am an Army veteran retired after 24 years of active duty. (1986-2010). I am 100% service connected disabled for a laundry list of things including PTSD. In my case my mental and emotional issues didn't start to manifest until I had been out several years and was struggling to make it in the civilian work force. I found myself sitting in my car on the river bank one day with a gun in my hand contemplating suicide. My uncle, vietnam vet 100% service connected PTSD, just happened to call me at that moment and I broke down. He directed me to the Vet center. I was in counseling for over a year before I decided that wasn't enough. My brain wouldn't slow down enough to employ the techniques i had learned. I finally got in meds but it took over six months to get the right dose and combination. In the mean time I had a daily struggle with people that don't have PTSD and wither don't believe there is anything wrong or just can't understand it. If you don't have it, talk to someone that suffers from it. Not even psych docs can completely understand it if they don't have it. We don't want the stigma of a mental illness so we deny it. We avoid people and certain circumstances for fear of being triggered. The meds can make you feel anything from suicidal to just plain emotionally flatlined. If the guy was deemed 100% service connected by the VA, then he is. You can't fake this shit.
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