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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted 4 y ago
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Seen this happen with a guy in the Navy. Goofy bastard. Served 2 years and some change. Claims he was raped by another sailor. Maybe it was true, maybe not, maybe he liked it?. Well, 8 years later, he bagged 100% disability and $20K backpay after many failed attempts. Claimed that incident scarred him for life but I call BS. This guy is fully functional, always out partying with women and doing drugs. Has multiple kids with different women. Nothing that happened in his two years of shining his boots and ZERO deployments that has scarred him that he needs 100% disability for life. However, I am not inside his head nor am I psychologist. But i can sniff out a mean BS loaf from a mile away.
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Okay so dang lots to un-wrap… a PTSD claim does not even need a primary event to be awarded… PTSD can be awarded for a plethora of issues during service. As long as one meets the requirements for the basic award. When it comes to claiming it… a lot of people distrust the VA because they tend to preclude on the “this dudes gonna hurt people” side. Member was fit for duty if he passed the investigations. In most states as long as he does not have a 100% rating for PTSD he still has the rights to carry. If the member does not have PTSD one should be able to report to a proper authority of fraudulent claims, and defrauding the federal government.
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This has been burning my ass since I was a little kid, seeing so many fakers claiming PTSD from Vietnam and getting all the benefits . It has only got far far worse since then. Basically when I hear PTSD , I think "fraud" and I am of the opinion like my WWII grandfathers and the real Vietnam Vets(combat) , "bunch of BS" in most cases.
Anyone has chanced to see a gruesome auto accident on the highway, or be part of one , and it will give some "PTSD" . Service"people" who see something similiar while on duty in the military now" can claim PTSD and get a free check for life .
As my grandfathers and father said- "Bunch of Bull", Real PTSD should take alot more than that. But I have seen/heard about the running PTSD fraud for 50 years now. Most of the ones claiming it were "NCO's, to begin with - no chance outside, even before they joined the military. PTSD looks like a good ride if to a sociopath path after they ETS, if they can claim it by default and also fraud.
I feel for the guys who got really "bent" becuase of their military service. I know one very well. He is where I get my most of views on PTSD , I knew another pretty good but he gone now. Compared to the other many WWII/Korea/Vietnam Vets I have known, who "adjusted" to real . Beside being a vet myself and the dudes Cold/War Vets I knew/know still. There are very few real PTSD cases. I know of only those two personally(both Vietnam heavy combat vets), who I would say had PTSD. Maybe my best friend's dad had PTSD , he lost a leg during the Battle of the Bulge, but I think he was just a mean ornery drunk, still a straight-up "old-dude". I don't think he had PTSD. Most WWII vets were like that. They did not complain or ask for chit. They got their home-loans and GI BILL and went on with their life(making the 50's and 60's so great).
From all that , IMO, I'd say at most 5% of PTSD cases actually deserve some level of disability going back to Nam or even Korea or WWII. - note those "wars" all included "the draft" . Making the subsequent Cold War and GWOT figures for PTSD disabilty claims even more of joke and a fraud. If I ever run into a GWOT vet saying he is disabled due to PTSD, I can only say that I hope I don't laugh or say something honest , before I walk off. I don't want to deal with such stuff.
Voluntary enlistment? Well then , that pretty much nullifies PTSD in most cases. Sorry to the people who did not know what they were getting into, but the frauds can GTH. The few real ones ? Yes, PTSD disabilty should be recognized and is deserved, but those are very few and far between.
Anyone has chanced to see a gruesome auto accident on the highway, or be part of one , and it will give some "PTSD" . Service"people" who see something similiar while on duty in the military now" can claim PTSD and get a free check for life .
As my grandfathers and father said- "Bunch of Bull", Real PTSD should take alot more than that. But I have seen/heard about the running PTSD fraud for 50 years now. Most of the ones claiming it were "NCO's, to begin with - no chance outside, even before they joined the military. PTSD looks like a good ride if to a sociopath path after they ETS, if they can claim it by default and also fraud.
I feel for the guys who got really "bent" becuase of their military service. I know one very well. He is where I get my most of views on PTSD , I knew another pretty good but he gone now. Compared to the other many WWII/Korea/Vietnam Vets I have known, who "adjusted" to real . Beside being a vet myself and the dudes Cold/War Vets I knew/know still. There are very few real PTSD cases. I know of only those two personally(both Vietnam heavy combat vets), who I would say had PTSD. Maybe my best friend's dad had PTSD , he lost a leg during the Battle of the Bulge, but I think he was just a mean ornery drunk, still a straight-up "old-dude". I don't think he had PTSD. Most WWII vets were like that. They did not complain or ask for chit. They got their home-loans and GI BILL and went on with their life(making the 50's and 60's so great).
From all that , IMO, I'd say at most 5% of PTSD cases actually deserve some level of disability going back to Nam or even Korea or WWII. - note those "wars" all included "the draft" . Making the subsequent Cold War and GWOT figures for PTSD disabilty claims even more of joke and a fraud. If I ever run into a GWOT vet saying he is disabled due to PTSD, I can only say that I hope I don't laugh or say something honest , before I walk off. I don't want to deal with such stuff.
Voluntary enlistment? Well then , that pretty much nullifies PTSD in most cases. Sorry to the people who did not know what they were getting into, but the frauds can GTH. The few real ones ? Yes, PTSD disabilty should be recognized and is deserved, but those are very few and far between.
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I think that it’s hard to make a determination because you probably don’t know what’s going on in someone’s head.
When I was younger I was a lot more harsh, and probably would have jumped to conclusions. Now that I’m a little older I try and give people the benefit of the doubt.
I deployed three times, got blown up and shot on separate occasions. I did shoot at insurgents… And I also lost soldiers and friends. My PTSD is not constant. There are ups and there are downs. I can go extended periods of time on one side or the other. Triggers are real.
When I was younger I was a lot more harsh, and probably would have jumped to conclusions. Now that I’m a little older I try and give people the benefit of the doubt.
I deployed three times, got blown up and shot on separate occasions. I did shoot at insurgents… And I also lost soldiers and friends. My PTSD is not constant. There are ups and there are downs. I can go extended periods of time on one side or the other. Triggers are real.
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I was diagnosed with moderate to severe PTSD by a psychologist from the Vets Center. He had nearly 30 years counseling and evaluating veterans with PTSD issues. Everyone with PTSD have different ways that their condition manifests itself. Mine are one of the more common they see. I had a successful career and was fully employed until retired.
After my diagnosis about 10 years ago many of the events in my life were defined by the psychologist as a product of my PTSD. He came to that decision after seeing me for many months. I had a lot of apologizing to do to people as part of my dealing with it but it helped.
A number of my friends convinced me that I should file a claim with the VA for PTSD. I receive compensation for both my hearing and Agent Orange related problems.
After filing my claim I was given an appointment with the C&P office in Gainesville FL. I met with a young woman who asked me question from a computer and recorded my responses. She also recorded my military experience which included 5 combat tours to Vietnam from 1965-73. A couple of months later I received a denial. Her report stated that she concurred with my PTSD diagnosis but that it did not result from several years in a combat zone.
After my diagnosis about 10 years ago many of the events in my life were defined by the psychologist as a product of my PTSD. He came to that decision after seeing me for many months. I had a lot of apologizing to do to people as part of my dealing with it but it helped.
A number of my friends convinced me that I should file a claim with the VA for PTSD. I receive compensation for both my hearing and Agent Orange related problems.
After filing my claim I was given an appointment with the C&P office in Gainesville FL. I met with a young woman who asked me question from a computer and recorded my responses. She also recorded my military experience which included 5 combat tours to Vietnam from 1965-73. A couple of months later I received a denial. Her report stated that she concurred with my PTSD diagnosis but that it did not result from several years in a combat zone.
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I know from Experience(friends/Relatives) that it's mostly FAKED and overused.. VA benefits are dished out like CANDY since obama's presidency.(couldn't be denied).. Just recently hear of an Individual who got a RATING increase of 10% to complete attainment of 100% rating for , Guess what? HEMORRHOIDS.. What does having Hemorrhoids have to do with bein Disabled ?( many people get that naturally.. It's all a FRAUD. PTSD is also very easy to FAKE... Seen individuals that get Disability for that.. but Seems to be OK, That is, until they go to the Frequent Clinical Visits, That's where the "Acting" comes into play...
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It is my understanding that many of the troops today are being advised to claim PTSD before they get out no matter what. In the end, I suspect the VA will be forced to someday end benefits for PTSD for anyone on the fringe, which is a disservice to all of us. Will a patriot claim a benefit he or she KNOWS FOR SURE they aren't entitled to, you bet. A person's personal ethics and character are involved, patriot or not. It would eat at my conscience. It bothers me that I receive benefits for Agent Orange but have no way of knowing for sure whether my diseases were caused by that herbicide or I just got the diseases, luck of the draw. That not knowing allows me to accept the benefits in my mind- -rationalization. There is just no way to know for sure. Likewise, perhaps some feel the same way about PTSD, and those vets might react very differently than we see in the movies in the obvious ways from experiencing loud noises, etc.
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