Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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FN Cheryl Pais
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Those veterans also defraud the DMV for travel pay. So now it's more complicated to get travel pay because no longer use kiosk.
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FN Cheryl Pais
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Some people defraud the VA. And the veterans that need it have to fight like hell to get benefits for physical trauma service related. But if you play the pstd card you're more likely to get 100%. That's not fair either.
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CPT David Medley
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Sound's a little strange to me !
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Maj Dale Smith
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Interesting case: I would want to see an MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic personality inventory) executed on the subject. I would also want to interview his squad or platoon mates and get their reaction. This is a psychological question that a trained psychologist or psychiatrist should answer. I might be going back as far as elementary school to look at "the right hand side of his report cards". What were his social skills and how did he react to other people as well as situations involving threats (bullying etc.). Since PTSD manifests itself differently in differing people, sociopaths are generally not affected by it, but an overly sensitive individual may react just to the loud sound of gunfire based on a stored visual memory associated with the sound. The individual described may be innocent by reason of a medical condition, or he may be a poser looking for a free ride financially. I would defer this issue to a military medical board that would include personal interviews, testing and detailed background checks to include financial as well as psychological parameters.
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SFC Curt Decker
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I'm having a hard time filing for PTSD which is not combat related that occurred in service. The VA keeps denying it saying it wasn't combat related. Not all PTSD occurs in war zones. I was diagnosed with mental health problems in service but the VA just ignores that evidence. I'm sure their psychiatrist thinks I'm just faking it but I do have evidence to back up my claim. Mental health as far as the VA is a very slippery slope since no two cases are the same but it seems like the VA tries using a standard formula for giving benefits. By the way, my appeal is at BVA and I hope a judge sees through the VAs BS.
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MSgt Mike P.
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Army has a Special Investigation group, CID I believe. A call to them and describe as above. I suspect they would be interested!
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SSG Andrew Chriss
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This narrative has heavy bias and is teased information. When was the SM diagnosed with PTSD? Was the SM released from the Guard with an accepted and ANG approved diagnosis or on opinion? Claims connotates hearsay. If the SM had no Active Duty Army diagnosis for PTSD when joining the ANG it cannot be construed as fraudulent. Unless you have the requisite degrees, background and position to dispute the medical diagnosis, you aren't qualified. You cannot legally know what was said to family members, it is hearsay. You can't conjecture on what was said in the SM's sessions with the Board Certified, licensed, appointed therapists and if you did know you'd be in violation of HIPPA. Laws concerning Combat PTSD and firearms carry differ from state to state. In short, this is not your lane, stand down.

Citations: 1. Difference from Combat PTSD, MST and Civilian PTSD 2. PTSD and firearms carry
1. https://havokjournal.com/nation/why-civilian-ptsd-mst-and-warfighter-ptsd-are-each-uniquely-different/
2. https://ptsdlawyers.com/can-veteran-ptsd-gun/
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SSG Deron Santiny
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It happens all the time. I have seen Veterans claim PTSD just to boost their VA rating percentage. I've also seen Veterans that claim Military Sexual Trauma (without any proof) to boost their ratings percentage. It's people like this that cause havoc for those who legitimately have issues and can't get the proper treatment and/or ratings. There are avenues to which they can be reported but that would have to be done through the VA system. Fraud is Fraud, doesn't matter what it is or how it's done. If someone who claims to want to kill fellow Servicemen/Woman is not attending treatment, then it is the VA's responsibility to see that he/she is investigated. Their provider should be making notes that they aren't attending appointments or taking prescribed medications. They definitely shouldn't be allowed to own or possess firearms until they are properly vetted. Again, it's idiots like this that make the rest of us look bad. If said person goes out and kills someone, the first thing they will say is "they had PTSD" when everyone knows they didn't. Not saying they didn't see anything while deployed but, the chances of being "Cured" is slim and none. Symptoms are manageable and controlled but I doubt seriously that if they are 100% for PTSD, they are "Cured". As a Veteran with Combat related PTSD, I have found ways to control what issues I have and how to cope with them if I have problems (without medication) but I would not say that I am cured, just saying.
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PO1 Don Uhrig
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Are you a qualified psychologist?
Are you a certified VA Benefits Examiner?

I suspect both answers are No.
Therefore what's your beef with another's disability? Are you jealous?

Here's a truth: the military does not prepare members for any post service compensation. The person you are hating on went to the trouble to get what he was awarded.

If YOU want to be awarded compensation for things that happened to you physical and mentally during your active service, then get it DOCUMENTED. No more OTC meds - go to sick call. Seriously.

No more bullying through back, foot, arm, pain etc. GET IT DOCUMENTED and file your VA Benefits claim.

What a shame it would be for you to live a life in physical or mental pain just because you are hating on someone who is receiving compensation.

And actually, there is a very clear path for investigation, call the VA OIG. You can Google that. And a simple internet search would have helped you in making that false statement.
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PFC Stephen Trynosky
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Having had two uncles crack up, one at Casisno the other after the Hurtegen forest, both were among a handful of survivors from their entire companys, I am familiar with PTSD and its aftermath. Neither of the WW 2 guys of course ever received anything for it. Suffice it to say that any life altering event, Getting out of the twin towers as they collapsed, watching colleagues, jump from the 97th floor and explode on contact with the ground, having your ground crew partner sliced up by a P-51 prop because the pilot let out the brakes too soon (happened to my Dad) or, going off a motorcycle, head first at 60MPH because somebody rammed you from behind, can induce PTSD. Question is, can you categorize it? Someone who endured Gettysburg, Belleau Wood, Okinawa, Hue or Fallujah cannot be compared to someone who could not handle combat on day one, when introduced to it. Both are incredibly traumatized but who deserves help? Kindness and sympathy are wonderful virtues but in certain cases they are an insult to those who have seen the elephant, up close and personal.
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