Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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CSM David Porterfield
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Problem is that the VA no longer requires proof that you where actually in any traumatic events overseas. I had a soldier claim PTSD from Kosovo and got it. I also had a soldier on my last trip to Afghanistan claim PTSD when he never even heard a Taliban gun shot. He claimed PTSD with the VA and got a rating. I called the VA and spoke to a few people to let them know he was a fake and never had a traumatic event in Afghanistan which was his only tour. The VA acted like I was the problem not him and one of them told me I was a problem to his recovery. Recovery from what? The VA is partly to blame for so many fake PTSD claims. The bigger problem in my eyes are my brothers and sisters who I know have PTSD but haven't gone for treatment.
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Col Nichole Lane (USAFA '88)
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This post is one year old. Most agencies handle these situations by demanding restitution of benefits even if he must pay for the remainder of his life. Sometimes fraud is difficult to prove but money talks hence restitution I would surmise.
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SFC Tracy Donahoo
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The presumption is that the veteran was fit for duty upon enlistment.

PTSD with homicidal expressions is, indeed, very serious. So are delusions.

If he is truly a threat to himself or others then the proper agencies need to be notified.

His PTSD is not cured. It doesn’t work that way. It may be latent, but something that has been with him at least 12 years doesn’t get cured.

But threats and delusions can be indications of serious problems that may require intensive treatment and very close monitoring.

Bet he didn’t think of that if your suspicions are true.
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Cpl Alfonso Holguin
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He is lazy and is scamming the system
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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I was actually encouraged to claim PTSD
I shocked The reply I was given was I was away from my family so I had to it
I still refuse to claim it
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HN Thomas Roundtree
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I served in the navy as a hosptial corpsman with marine infantry, worked as a Veterans Service Officer and currently work for the DVA as a legal administrative assistant and I would say that based on my experience every servicememver and/or veteran perceives experiences differently from the next. One who may has never fired his/her weapon may deal with the same or even more trauma then one who did so on a regular basis. There's not a cookie cutter solution or means to diagnose PTSD, even though VA tries. I myself felt bad for even filing a claim after my service being i thought that since my extremities weren't missing or I didn't kill someone in combat that I didn't have a legitimate reason to file. Yet looking back at how my life was in shambles and the abuse those around me endured after my first few years of leaving service I have no question as to what was going on. I would also say that most doctors know that some conditions can never be "cured". One of them being PTSD. It's only suppressed or the person doped up on so many meds that their a zombie and don't perceive reality anymore. So many veterans choose to forego them. If the veteran is claiming to be cured this may be a part of the delusion which is still symptomatic of PTSD. It seems your speaking from the perspective of being a civilian and never having served in any capacity. Usually civilians are more concerned and upset about the monetary benefits veterans receive and not understanding of the what we have to endure from boot camp to EAS. Combat is not the only mechanism that can cause PTSD.
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PFC Michael Lewis
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I am not a psychologist
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LCpl Steve Smith
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Like Many have stated PTSD is not just a Combat Related thing, it can happen to anyone for just about any reason. Also, when one joins the military even in a Grunt Unit the military tells you if or when you see Combat not you lol so those that don't even when they sign up during a Conflict or war to do so might not even see combat, does that make them less of a service member? They didn't have a choice in the matter so why be upset about it? 100% of the Combat Vets I've met and interacted with have told me be glad that I never saw combat and that they are happy I didn't have to because they don't want anyone to ever have to go through what they did Old and Young. Now the kid in question being a faker or not is really not anyone's place to say since he has gone through the crazy hoops and months to years of doctor evaluations of all sorts to get rated 100%. We don't know what other mental issues the kid might have nor do we know the specificts of his medical evaluation preformed by the VA. Yes he could be scamming the system, there are scammers everywhere, so it is a possibility, but Scammers are less then 1% of the veterans being rated and being approved for payments and or treatment. Is it right to Scam the system? No, but the VA has approved him so he's legit as far as they are concerned. Like I said we don't know what's in his Medical Records so going off of 3rd party hearsay is not proof of any wrong doing.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is not limited to those who are exposed to combat or even those in the military. After I retired I went back to school and worked and earned a degree in Psychology. Unless I had more information and sat down with the individual, I would not begin to try to diagnose him/her state of PTSD.

Any of us could have some degree of PTSD from trauma suffered in the military or civilian life. As a Counselor, I have spoken to adults who were raped and never got over the trauma, yet they are not combat veterans. As a CPS investigator and supervisor, I have observed children who were severely abused and suffered from PTSD.

MSgt B Grimes your supposition is possible in every way. The member could have faked it from the beginning or not. Did he have a preexisting condition when joining the ANG? Possible. Now prove it. Unless s/he has a documented mental condition that disqualifies him/her from a CC or any other reason for owning a firearm, why would you try to take away his/her 2nd Amendment rights? This is a case for the VA and other mental professionals to determine by interview and treatment if needed, not me in an RP Forum.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
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VA totally modified and further rearranged my creditials, and I late on got sick really bad. You scenario sounds like a person that should not have been in. But then, it is not like Active duty medical keeps a good status health record. I think there should be bi-yearly physical check ups in the medical on active duty personnel, it would help ID who can deploy, and helps with sorting out injury related disabilities
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