Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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SSG Ronnie Olivas
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I don't understand so if you have ptsd you can't hunt carry a weapon the wwp puts programs in place to help you by hunting fishing with other combate Vets. I don't know the whole story but some people have it really bad and some have it but I do beleive calling a man a lier is sad look at all the police officers that have it and still working look all the people that lost love one and trying to survive I beleive that with this mentality we are really hurting soldiers that have issues with ptsd because they feel their lives are over I think you need to be in their shoes before you judge and they refuse to get help because they will be judged every step by people who think they know
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I know 3, and all three where non-combat combat action MOS's. All three went to VA about the same time. At a point when VA was telling them they had PTSD 2008-2014. They have done nothing except sit on their butts while 5 time combat Marine MOS types like myself suffer from real illegal years anthrax (serium) cancer and get nothing! It's all a scam, being scammed, perpetuating a scam. Blah, blah, blah! Don't get me wrong, VA gives us cancer treatments, but it's all in hiding the truth. Burn pit victims, coverup for the real much larger cause. Immunity deficiencies caused by 20 years of illegal anthrax vaccines! Hmm, pay for 100k veterans, or pay for millions. If the anthrax vaccine hasn't gotten you yet, stand by!
Cpl Gunner Stout
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This is an old thread, and an even older bltch. I remember sitting in the Senior NCO club one night as a civilian (VSO) guest and listening in the E-8's and above complain about how screwed up their troops were, the shirking, fakery, cowardice, incompetence, on and on, and I can't help but wonder if the good MSgt missed that "superior banter and camaraderie" and sought it here.
The VA does have a legal path for investigation, but Senior 'E's aren't on it for a reason, otherwise they'd be doing nothing but re-investigating every award decision they ever make. For the record 100% dis for PTSD isn't just handed out based on a "good story".
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MSgt Earl King
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I was in Viet Nam, retired in 1987, and had never heard of PTSD. Every 4th of July I would be very stressed, my wife was afraid to go to sleep because she would wake me up because I would stop breathing, and I would get very emotional at times, like driving and just bust out crying. My wife's friend suggested I go to the VSO. That's where my journey started, my military history, and joining the VA system I see a mental health Dr. every 3rd month and take meds. All those years in the Marines I didn't know what was wrong with me. Neither did the Marine Corp.
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SFC Rick Brooks
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I read these posts and what people don't realize is PTSD does not have to be combat related or how many times you were deployed PTSD is a mental situation that you deal with in some way me I joke about everything does it get me in trouble sometimes but it gets me through the hard times I deal with I have been told to file I choose not to and will never give anybody shit over their situation
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1SG Danny Vorreyer
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After living with the Medical Community I can't comment because I am not certified or licensed either. The person with PTSD, skip these comments, the stigma is over. Get help, keep getting help and be good to yourself and family.
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SSgt Mathew Cummings
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1. DoD is highly increasing MEPS evaluations for in-processing. 2. Not a psychologist, though it would be probably be noted on his exit physical. Meaning he would have had to have been cleared before joining. The Guard unit would possibly launch an investigation for malingering. Highly unlikely though, more than likely just pushed to the door. If it took him 12 years, more than likely had a federal hearing, lied to a Federal judge. 3. Yes he can have a concealed carry, if at the evaluation time he did not claim suicidal or homicidal tendencies. 4. Yes, if a Service Officer helped during the claim and suspected them, they are mandated to report it. I would report it to the Public Contact office at the VBA. They have a channel which will start a re-evaluation of disabilities.
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Cpl Craig Howard
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I have had two times where PTSD was mentioned to me at the VA. One was the Dr. who conducted the C&P Exam. He is of the opinion that all Combat Veterans should be an automatic 10% for PTSD. The second was with a Psychologist I was referred to by mistake, but I went anyways. The Dr. told me that I seemed to be well adjusted, but things change, and I could come back anytime I felt things were going less well. Unfortunately we can't just see who has issue and who needs help easily, and conversely, we can't tell who is faking or had a pre-existing condition. If someone serves with honor, I would hope they also have the character to be truthful in this matter too.
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SPC Paul Missick
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A person can claim all they want, but it requires a medical professional to do the paperwork to even get a claim considered...so a false claim would cost a doctor or psychologist their license...
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PO3 Janet Waters
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You do not need to fired a weapon to get PTSD. And you do not need to serve overseas to get PTSD. There could have been something else that cause his PTSD in the military We should not judge unless we are doctors.
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