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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted 4 y ago
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SGT Roman Davis
My PTSD is exactly that! I limit my social interactions because my experience and training will come under microscope if I were to 'Kirk-Out' on someone, justified or not.
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Having PTSD from gunfire and having a CCW is not the same. Sounds like a liberal trying yet again. To take away guns. With that being said. I am not a doctor. Neither are you. This young man was evaluated and deemed to have an issue. One does NOT have to serve in combat.
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Ptsd wouldn’t be a “preexisting condition” when he joined the guard. He didn’t have to join at all.
Your argument is fucked up like a football bat. Sounds like someone stole your dog, or your wife.
If a soldier develops ptsd on active duty, but it isn’t diagnosed, not does it show itself, until after joining the guard, how is it preexisting, and what makes you think it’s fraudulent.
“Possibly used similar lies…” but you don’t know if he did. Why?
It’s none of your fucking business.
We got Mrs. Jessica fucking Fletcher over here.
Your argument is fucked up like a football bat. Sounds like someone stole your dog, or your wife.
If a soldier develops ptsd on active duty, but it isn’t diagnosed, not does it show itself, until after joining the guard, how is it preexisting, and what makes you think it’s fraudulent.
“Possibly used similar lies…” but you don’t know if he did. Why?
It’s none of your fucking business.
We got Mrs. Jessica fucking Fletcher over here.
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How would I “approach situation”? I wouldn’t, and I’d tell anyone who tries to follow your poorly written screed to do the same thing:
Mind your own fucking business.
I could tear apart your argument line by line, but haven’t the time. But I will point out this from your example. If it is an actual case-in-point and not some red herring, the fact that PTSD showed up years later is perfectly understandable.
If this is coming from “his family”, your entire post is worth about the same as my dog’s shit I cleaned this morning. Maybe he lied to his family to downplay his rating; maybe they lied to you to make themselves look better
Many individuals struggle with taking meds, especially when they start to work and the patient begins to think they’re cured. Let’s talk about that in 5 or so years.
The fact that the VA doesn’t allow some asshole to poke around in a patient’s protected medical files says to me they are doing their job. You have no right to know a thing about anyone else’s medical record, and the comments you make about why you think he’s lying show just how truly ignorant you are on the matter.
1. Ptsd isn’t only about firing your weapon. In fact, it isn’t about war. It’s about stress. Get it?
His symptoms show up when he is exposed to external stimuli, like uniforms and other military details. This happens rather quickly, within a year. Yep. That’s one way it can happen.
Again, mind your own fucking business.
You don’t know what is in anyone’s medical or psychological records, yet you are quick to say his PTSD comes from “gunfire”, therefore he shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm. I can’t comment on if your red herring should own a firearm or not. I can say, using your own “gunfire” requirement, that very few Air Force veterans would qualify.
Again, mind your own fucking business. Start digging around on someone’s VA records and it will bite you on your ass.
Mind your own fucking business.
I could tear apart your argument line by line, but haven’t the time. But I will point out this from your example. If it is an actual case-in-point and not some red herring, the fact that PTSD showed up years later is perfectly understandable.
If this is coming from “his family”, your entire post is worth about the same as my dog’s shit I cleaned this morning. Maybe he lied to his family to downplay his rating; maybe they lied to you to make themselves look better
Many individuals struggle with taking meds, especially when they start to work and the patient begins to think they’re cured. Let’s talk about that in 5 or so years.
The fact that the VA doesn’t allow some asshole to poke around in a patient’s protected medical files says to me they are doing their job. You have no right to know a thing about anyone else’s medical record, and the comments you make about why you think he’s lying show just how truly ignorant you are on the matter.
1. Ptsd isn’t only about firing your weapon. In fact, it isn’t about war. It’s about stress. Get it?
His symptoms show up when he is exposed to external stimuli, like uniforms and other military details. This happens rather quickly, within a year. Yep. That’s one way it can happen.
Again, mind your own fucking business.
You don’t know what is in anyone’s medical or psychological records, yet you are quick to say his PTSD comes from “gunfire”, therefore he shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm. I can’t comment on if your red herring should own a firearm or not. I can say, using your own “gunfire” requirement, that very few Air Force veterans would qualify.
Again, mind your own fucking business. Start digging around on someone’s VA records and it will bite you on your ass.
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Let it go. This will n ever be investigated and a conclusion will never be drawn from sny investigation.
Sounds like something personal between you and the veteran. Let it go, in the end he/she will get their due.
Sounds like something personal between you and the veteran. Let it go, in the end he/she will get their due.
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If they falsely claim P T S D they should be charged with a criminal offense. Because the ones with actually P T S D will have a harder time getting there claim approved
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I'm going to stay out of this because the VA rating system is flawed across the board. I have a number of friends who are drawing 95% and 100% disability from the VA, yet they are working as law enforcement officers and pass a strenuous physical test every year. To be 100%, you should be house or bedridden. It's too lax, the system is rife with false or exaggerated claims that are granted so this guy didn't do anything except what thousands (probably millions) of others have done. Please note, this is not addressed to the millions of veterans with valid claims -- they deserve everything they can get.
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Tough one sounds like he worked the system but who am I to say that I don’t know what is in his head
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Just because you think he's faking it doesn't mean he is. Every "lie"and stating he's cured could all be part of his PTSD. Many veterans are "ashamed" to admit weakness to others that don't have the same experiences to fully understand what PTSD can do to a person. Claiming to be a heroic sniper could just be his PTSD manifesting in compensating ways. He may feel he shouldn't have PTSD because he never fired his weapon, or that others wouldn't truly understand if he wasn't some kind of "hero." You're assuming he lied to the VA - but in my experience with VA, they leave no stone unturned to find truths. His military records would not support lies about his actual duties, etc. So all that said, I wouldn't approach this situation at all. The VA took their time in determining his diagnosis and eventually determined his disability is valid. You, nor I, have any knowledge or idea of what's going on with him. Just my humble opinion.
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It appears that his threat to kill comrades if it was one of the justifications for his release from duty might be a YEs answer to BATF Form 4473 question 20c or 20i, prohibiting person from purchasing a firearm. The answer to those questions would be in the details concerning his disability which is priviliged information to us, but FBI/BATF might have legal access.
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