Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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Cpl Benjamin Walker
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MSgt Brendon Grimes, How are you or I qualified to make that call?
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SPC David Garcia
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I’d start this comment by saying I’m 100% service connected through PTSD. Although I’ve only had one deployment as an Infantryman, OIF II. I’d have to agree with the side of the fence of those who don’t judge another’s service or mental faculties, regardless of service. We as a society seem to be more robustly accepting of one’s entitlement to their own mental health. Besides, criminalizing the whole process of validating service connected disability is the most dangerous slippery slope I can think of. Unless one has the capacity to literally walk in another man’s jungle boots, leave the arm chair diagnosis to thyself. In terms of how an individual could’ve developed PTSD given their service, I always liken deployment to a constant “threat of death.” In my humble opinion, and from personal experience, that threat of death was just as profound for me whether inside or outside the wire. Saying this now, even if I never experienced combat, to which I’ve had many, I’d still be off my rocker as a result. Wars a very nasty business that humans maybe prone to, but certainly are built to
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PO3 Ted G
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First off, if you believe that someone could easily get through a VA PTSD exam using lies and BS and land a 100% rating it is obvious that you have never been through a VA exam for anything. If someone is missing an entire limb the VA will ask at least 15 questions about it and want records of the incident, including names, dates, and location.

As for stopping care after after being rated, the VA will eventually call that person in for a reevaluation and it will be as or more rigorous than the initial rating exam.

I lost an internal organ and the VA periodic checks to see if it is still missing, they do not play games, if you BS them you will be caught. They also do not care, if you actually have the condition that you are rated for they will lower your rating anyway and make you fight to get it back.
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PV2 Regina Renee Smith
PV2 Regina Renee Smith
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This is so true.
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CPT Stephen Feldman
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This happens all the time and in my opinion happens more and more often. My son-in-law's father was a Marine who served in Vietnam. When he retired at 65, he had owned a consruction business. He answered an add by some attorney claiming he could get him 100% disability from the VA. He was coached on what to say and how to act. He got 60% for his PTSD and since he couldn't work it was raised to 100%. He makes as much for his 100% as I do and I am compensated for 17 diffferent conditions none of them PTSD. The last 7 I get no benefit from because I am at 100% before they are figured in.
Do I believe there are people falsely claiming PTSD? As long as attorneys are able to counsel service members on how to scam the system and collect up to 33.33% of how much the veteran receives (in my son-in-law's father's case they got over $34,000). It took 3 years to get the 100% rating. So today, an attorney can make today over $47,000 if the claim takes 3 years to resolve. Not bad for a couple hours work counseling someone and filing paper work that various organzations file for free.
I don't believe every veteran who serves in a combat zone suffers some level of PTSD. I believe that most of those who claim PTSD are scaming the system. Yes there is PTSD but not close to the rate it is being compensated for.
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PV2 Regina Renee Smith
PV2 Regina Renee Smith
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I agree many have scammed the system. These are the ones that make it super hard for those of us who do have PTSD. I have it and suffer with it every day. I wake up in the middle of the night screaming and fighting from it coming out of some of these termers. If it was not for my husband understanding what I have gone through I believe that by I would have comfited suicide by now. PTSD IS NO JOKE for those of us who have it and have to fight it nightly. I also have a problem with being in public and hearing a voice that sounds like the asshole that raped me. I have become very defensive and if my husband had not been with me I would have been locked up for assault. I just wish that the board would stop playing games getting my benefits to me so I can get away from people. Once I get my back pay we are moving out of the city where it is quite and no one is around us. That is not much to ask.
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CPT Stephen Feldman
CPT Stephen Feldman
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I feel for you and anyone truly dealing with PTSD. The problem is trying to seperate those scaming the system from those who actually have the problem. I am the legal advisor to the Veterans Transaction Center in Monterey County and deal with people that actually are suffering with PTSD. In my case, it was easy to determine the problems I have because all are identifiable threw medical tests that were done at the VA and it still took 24 years fighting with the VA before I was awarded my 100% rating. Don't stop appealing your case until you reach 60% disability for one thing or 70% for combined disabilities because once there you can apply for Unemployability and get to 100%.
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SSG Carlos Madden
SSG Carlos Madden
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PV2 Regina Renee Smith PTSD can be a daily struggle for so many. We encourage you to check out this page to get connected to professional online support & in-person resources near you. https://www.rallypoint.com/emergency-support
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CPL Mary Ross
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You don't know if he has PTSD, it is such a personal thing. What gives PTSD to one person isn't even a blink of concern to another. I was in the Army, then was an Army wife fearing for my husband's life, no trouble. But after working at the Humane Society and having to put many animals to sleep, the VA doctor told me I suffer from PTSD because of my job, and offered to put me in a counseling group of combat soldiers. I would not have felt comfortable listening to soldiers talking about killing people, and then having to talk about killing dogs and cats, but I did learn that PTSD is in more places than I would have thought.
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SP6 Cathy Goosby
SP6 Cathy Goosby
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I agree with your diagnosis of PTSD. But there are so many Veterans claiming PTSD that don't have it. So many people I know have faked the system. One went as far as getting the necessary information on line and memorizing the symptoms so that they get the diagnosis. Another went to VA with a cane and acting like he could hardly walk to get his 100%. I am still fighting to receive my compensation for physical injuries I obtained during my service in the Army and it has been a rough journey, but whatever my disability rate I know that I did it honest.
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SFC Jerry McLellen
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I retired from the Army, but none the less have seen the services push for making disability claims when service members exit the military. I myself have the mindset that I entered the service with everything, including my brain working, and upon retirement had only a few problems to deal with, so proudly claim I refused to apply for VA disability. I see people now that are able bodied and work normal jobs out of the military who spend a great deal of their time trying to up the disability number to 100%. They are not content with the 40%, 60% or whatever they claimed. 100% is the goal. I was working with a staff NCO (E7) in the supply/logistics area that never even came close to a hostile situation, put in retirement papers from Afghanistan and then started the PTSD claims and ended up with 100% disability. It is no wonder the VA has a huge backlog, the system is eaten up- with fraudulent claims and no way apparently to go back and check up on these fraudulent claims.

I am a firm believer that anyone who has claimed PTSD, AKA Battle Rattle, should be allowed to buy a gun, get a concealed carry permit/license, or even hunt. Nobody can help them if they are totally disabled with PTSD. Look at what happened to the "American Sniper" Chris Kyle trying to help out ex-military members who claimed PTSD.
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SPC Kynthia Rosgeal
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I didn't realize load masters also have to be qualified as psychologists/psychiatrists or therapists. I just thought you needed to be reasonably strong and smart enough not to fall out of the plane. Silly me.

7 years service, diagnosed with PTSD but not due to combat. No review because basically, the VA says too far gone to recover. I don't think you fully understand how PTSD happens or how it affects different people in the same situations.
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PVT Mark Whitcomb
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I like to call it PTS.....it is not a disorder. It's your bodies reaction to a stressful situation. Everyone is different and handles it a different way. Who am I to judge... I'll leave it to the professionals to determine.
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MSgt Keith Morreira
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Each case is different. I will attest first hand (not sure if required for everyone or if this was new) I had to complete a separate VA form for every "combat situation" dates, location, unit number, name of unit members that were injured or kills, supply orders and a copy of medal package if received.

Even though it sucked, I believed the VA was doing a proper background to make sure I was legit so I completed several forms.

With PTSD/TBI there are good and bad days, so needs to be up to the Psychologist to document a history on the recovery of the person.

Hopefully nobody fakes its, because it sucks.
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SPC Michelle Greenwood
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Unless this is a case for which you have specific knowledge and you were with him on every single duty assignment 100% of the time and have recordings of what he has said to family members this is all secondary information. It is not credible. Please tell us what your qualifications are to determine whether this person has PTSD or not. So many suffer silently because they don't want to be mocked by people like you.
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SGT Roman Davis
SGT Roman Davis
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I agree. The VA has real, elected, well-compensated Judges for a reason...let them work it out.
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