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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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I didn't realize load masters also have to be qualified as psychologists/psychiatrists or therapists. I just thought you needed to be reasonably strong and smart enough not to fall out of the plane. Silly me.
7 years service, diagnosed with PTSD but not due to combat. No review because basically, the VA says too far gone to recover. I don't think you fully understand how PTSD happens or how it affects different people in the same situations.
7 years service, diagnosed with PTSD but not due to combat. No review because basically, the VA says too far gone to recover. I don't think you fully understand how PTSD happens or how it affects different people in the same situations.
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I like to call it PTS.....it is not a disorder. It's your bodies reaction to a stressful situation. Everyone is different and handles it a different way. Who am I to judge... I'll leave it to the professionals to determine.
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Each case is different. I will attest first hand (not sure if required for everyone or if this was new) I had to complete a separate VA form for every "combat situation" dates, location, unit number, name of unit members that were injured or kills, supply orders and a copy of medal package if received.
Even though it sucked, I believed the VA was doing a proper background to make sure I was legit so I completed several forms.
With PTSD/TBI there are good and bad days, so needs to be up to the Psychologist to document a history on the recovery of the person.
Hopefully nobody fakes its, because it sucks.
Even though it sucked, I believed the VA was doing a proper background to make sure I was legit so I completed several forms.
With PTSD/TBI there are good and bad days, so needs to be up to the Psychologist to document a history on the recovery of the person.
Hopefully nobody fakes its, because it sucks.
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my first thoughts would be if you have a problem with this person and is this a legit accusation or are you simply trying to use the government as a weapon to persecute this man. how can you know all these things for sure. i suffer from ptsd and have attended counseling for years long before it was recognized by the military. i participated in the first group pilot program at audie murphy in san antonio when it started. today i don't take drugs and i don't go to counseling, i was never in combat and never fired a weapon. combat is not a prerequisite for ptsd, my suggestion would be to get more information on ptsd itself before you ruin someones life.
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I see this every day!!! I am a state employee that helps veterans. With that said I spend a extremely large amount of time at the Local VA Medical Center which also has a exhaustive amount of homeless housing. So, I work with the VA staff and directors on a daily bases. Here is what I see everyday. Young 4 year tour veterans looking for a 100% ever how they can get it. Example, Young lady spent four years in the Navy,said she was stationed at an air defense battery in Poland, does the Navy do this?. She was now out of the service drawing 90% for her time in Poland and was madder than a wet hen because the VA was dragging there feet on her 100% claim. The young man that just left the waiting room lost his right leg in combat (Afghanistan) just below the hip and was only drawing 90%. I have found that most of the one making the most noise are those just looking for a check. I have observed from talking to thousand of veterans that those in the thick of battle, does not really want to talk about it. It is humerus to me as I sit in the parking lot at the VA, watching these veterans climb out of their new Corvette and can barely move get their Rollator F22 out the trunk and creep into the Medical Center, couple hours later you see them walking normally, at a high rate of speed to that new corvette and off they go. Listen, I am a 23 Year Marine Vet with a 90% rating for abusing my body that long. New Shoulder, need two new knees, back and neck injuries, all service connected. Yes, it would be nice to have that 100% check, but it is not worth my integrity to falsify my condition for a check. Two more examples of why the VA needs over site: A 4 Year Air force vet never left the US, Florida, was military police, fell jumping a fence back in the year 80s, was out of work for 2 days with a bruised back. Got out and became a biker, drinking and partying to the point of two heart attacks, and other physical illnesses associated with his Drinking and drugging lifestyle. Fought for years against the VA as service connected. Was denied until he obtained a Lawyer, he now draws a 100% and runs a business on the side. I'm working with a Vietnam Veteran, lost two fingers and numerous other injuries from that war and he is only drawing 30%. Okay I lied, one more: young 30 something Veteran, 4 years one tour in the gulf, draws a 100% for PTSD and back injury. He know operates a tire store and is a power lifter at the local gym. Need i say more. The system is broken and has no guidance, it is the greasy wheel effect or who you know. You don't have to believe me, Next time your at the VA, stop being in-tuned to your phone or IPad and put your head on a swivel, look around, stay alert and listen, you will see it for your self. Everyone drawing a big check is tell everyone else how to do it, and how to lie about for the check
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I was listening to a clip of Jason Everman on Rogan, he brought up the tribal sense of belonging when you deploy.
That 120person section, which happens to be Dunbar's number, a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationship.
When you're deployed, its you protecting your brothers and sisters, and them protecting you. You have a role with responsibilities, you belong, then you get out and you're not as responsible for others, no one cares much for you and youre adrift and largely alone.
That 120person section, which happens to be Dunbar's number, a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationship.
When you're deployed, its you protecting your brothers and sisters, and them protecting you. You have a role with responsibilities, you belong, then you get out and you're not as responsible for others, no one cares much for you and youre adrift and largely alone.
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Yes I think it wrong when I was union working construction during my apprenticeship I meet another guy who was vet starting talking to him he find out I was disabled for my leg 10% he tell told that he got rated 70% I asked how he got that what wrong how he get that told me he had ptsd but he lied. He said he bullshitted the psychologist. Was Upset he’ll yes I was I started having other problems with my disability tried her higher rating got turn Down, theirs other vets with severe disability and they can’t even get decent rating
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Without a doubt, there are those that falsely claim it. When I was in Iraq with part of my unit, I had friends who were in Afghanistan. While on convoy, a couple of the junior members of the team had spotted a burned out vehicle that had been there for a few days. Some of the comments by Bro-ham overheard were, "You see that? I'm gonna tell the VA we had a close call with a VBIED and claim PTSD for it! I'm gonna get PAID!!"
There are - WERE - some veterans groups I was a member of on a popular social media site, and many, MANY questions were about "What can I do to get to that 100% I/U?" "What do I need so I can claim PTSD to up my percentage?", "Can I claim X, Y & Z to get a better percentage for retirement?", or (to me, even worse), people saying things like, "Claim you have E.D. and it's negatively impacting your life, and then find someone to make it secondary to PTSD. . ."
There are those that probably do have legitimate cause for claims. Maybe while not directly involved in combat operations, they survived a near-miss from those explody-thingies that used to randomly drop from the sky. Maybe they were so weak minded, they created their own trauma, like, "People are dying in this country & their bodies are being flown back to this base before going CONUS. . . Death's all around, every day. . .(read this on an article about a USAF vet's suicide, where her friends & co-workers said they were never exposed to anything, didn't face any dangers aside from the God-voice's "INCOMING! INCOMING!", but that she pretty much gave up on life because they 'were surrounded by death')."
And, a case I have experience with, because I was in the same unit as this member, but was one of the ones that went to Iraq back in '04. . . People do make stuff up.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2007/03/new-york-times-plays-the-ptsd-fool-for-iraq-war-fraudster/
There are - WERE - some veterans groups I was a member of on a popular social media site, and many, MANY questions were about "What can I do to get to that 100% I/U?" "What do I need so I can claim PTSD to up my percentage?", "Can I claim X, Y & Z to get a better percentage for retirement?", or (to me, even worse), people saying things like, "Claim you have E.D. and it's negatively impacting your life, and then find someone to make it secondary to PTSD. . ."
There are those that probably do have legitimate cause for claims. Maybe while not directly involved in combat operations, they survived a near-miss from those explody-thingies that used to randomly drop from the sky. Maybe they were so weak minded, they created their own trauma, like, "People are dying in this country & their bodies are being flown back to this base before going CONUS. . . Death's all around, every day. . .(read this on an article about a USAF vet's suicide, where her friends & co-workers said they were never exposed to anything, didn't face any dangers aside from the God-voice's "INCOMING! INCOMING!", but that she pretty much gave up on life because they 'were surrounded by death')."
And, a case I have experience with, because I was in the same unit as this member, but was one of the ones that went to Iraq back in '04. . . People do make stuff up.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2007/03/new-york-times-plays-the-ptsd-fool-for-iraq-war-fraudster/
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I know a few Navy Vets who suffer because of the Carrier Flight Deck. Those are the most dangerous 4 acres on the planet, where your own aircraft try very hard to kill you. I’ve seen folks sucked into engine intakes, struck by propellers, blown over the side by jet exhaust, and sliced by arresting cables. We’d typically lose 2-3 people during peacetime deployments, ironically we didn’t lose any flight deck crewmen during our Gulf War deployment, although we did lose an A-6 crew to a SAM.
People have varying degrees of stress, not everyone reacts the same way. Or become stressed by the same stimulus.
The VA Raters aren’t always consistent, I was diagnosed with cancer after 10 years after completing my 21 years of active duty. The raters determined it was service related despite symptoms noted on active duty. But it worked out as I got increases for my knees, back, and other stuff that pushed me over 100%.
I don’t rue anyone else’s good fortune, I’d just let this slide and pay attention to what affects me
People have varying degrees of stress, not everyone reacts the same way. Or become stressed by the same stimulus.
The VA Raters aren’t always consistent, I was diagnosed with cancer after 10 years after completing my 21 years of active duty. The raters determined it was service related despite symptoms noted on active duty. But it worked out as I got increases for my knees, back, and other stuff that pushed me over 100%.
I don’t rue anyone else’s good fortune, I’d just let this slide and pay attention to what affects me
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Everybody has something wrong. If you go to the doctor and get a check up, there is definitely going to be something wrong with you. Most of us are healthy in the sense of the things wrong with us a very small and don't matter too much and the doctors can't do much about them anyway. Another hand there are a lot of us to have specific diseases for example I have diabetes. Based on the VA rules that counts for 10% disability. And if my diabetes was much worse the number might go up but the point is the based on the rules and the level of problem I have I get 10%. I believe, at least it wouldn't surprise me is 90% of the people have some sort of PTSD. Because everybody has traumatic events in their life. No just like diabetes, or hearing problems and a lot of other things ptsd is on a scale. You can be very small and you probably don't even notice it and they doctors might not even counted because it doesn't rise to a certain level. On the other hand he can be completely disability and make you 100% disabled. In the VA rating system no to people are exactly the same. So you may have gone to basic training and then had a really bad accident or something and gotten out where is someone else may have gone through hell and high water for 20 years and then retired. Each of you will have your own story and each of you would get your own disability number from the VA.
My assumption is that number how much you think you know you don't know the whole story. If you brought this to the proper authorities at the VA then I would let it rest. How much Strother have one guy get away with it did a bunch of guys cancel because the rumors
My assumption is that number how much you think you know you don't know the whole story. If you brought this to the proper authorities at the VA then I would let it rest. How much Strother have one guy get away with it did a bunch of guys cancel because the rumors
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