Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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CPL Tamar Grayson
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No disrespect … Only A Doctor can determine that. Evidently they saw his case as extreme. Some people who live with any condition can claim they are cured, whether or not if they are or not; again is between them and their doctor, no one shouldn’t assume. Some people don’t have the mental capacity to fully understand PTSD, some don’t like talking to psychiatrists or psychologists .. Some don’t like reopening the womb even if it may lead to healing. It’s very painful for some. Some are called names ie “crazy” … and have to argue that they aren’t it’s a thousand reasons why people are the way they are and do the things they do because PTSD Leaves you with a void of space and time .. some can fill it with help medicine, therapy, etc. while others choose not too … It doesn’t mean they don’t have it. It’s so easy for people to judge others. No one can see inside someone’s head .. Unless you are a brain surgeon. Just saying. We gotta stop being critical of one another and hope they seek help in the near future.
As far as gun licensing conceal/ carry the last time I checked most mass shooters who have hunted for target practice had a clean record. We do need stricter gun laws and mental health evaluations should take part in it. So there’s that .. I hear you and it is a valid complaint if you know for certain then report it. That’s a fine line for a lawsuit though …
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MGySgt Louis Saracina
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Unless delayed incompetent and assigned a fiduciary he rates a concealed carry. Check USC38 Chpt 11 and 12. PTSD does not mean you are dangerous. Do not guess.
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SP6 Cathy Goosby
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Veteran does not deserve to claim PTSD because he has never been to Combat or been in a situation causing his PTSD. Soldier should be investigated and stronger tests for PTSD should be given. If found guilty, he should lose that part of his disability.
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GySgt Ray Harris
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I run a website for recruiting Border Patrol Agents. (HonorFirst.com). I can't tell you how often I see veterans with PTSD or other "disabilities" claim the issue will not interfere with their duties as a BPA. If you have compensable disabilities with the VA, chances are you are not suitable for the rough and tumble duties of a BPA. Either you are lying to yourself, or you are faking it. Decide which you want, but don't go for both.
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SSG James Stodola
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There are so many issues here to sort through for a real answer. Did the person bring issues with them upon entering service, probably, we all have them of one type or another. Some most likely hope that some of these will be "fixed' by their service and maybe so in some cases. You don't need to fire a weapon in combat, or anywhere else for that matter to develop PTSD. Many things contribute to that process. The issue of getting orders for overseas tour sound to me more like a false plea to get out of the deployment by claiming a problem which may exist, to be more urgent than it really is. That one is a questionable claim for sure. It is a puzzle to me as to how he got benefits if it was for the PTSD as all of this information would be in their records and could easily be scrutinized by the VA, and seeing how they work he most likely would not be awarded benefits based upon those and any subsequent exams such as the C&P exam if given. PTSD does NOT get "cured". It can lesson with help and lifestyle changes but it is always there if you have it. As far as the last part, can this person concealed carry, probably as most permits are issued through county sheriff's offices and they typically don't check military records unless something is shown in the persons history that would warrant that. They usually only check state and local records. It has been 32 years for me since I was in a combat theater, I still have what they call hypervigilance, which is only symptom of PTSD, I have never experienced any other symptoms and have had no issues in coping with life after the fact. So as others have said here, it affect all in many ways, some small and some large.
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TSgt Daniel Newman
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Pathetic and what a disgrace to all who fought. and served. And this govt with its useless care free way of printing and giving money away is a slap in the face to all of the hard working men and women who pay taxes. How this clown lives with himself and turning down dr. appointments without an explanation should be enough to have his disability revoked!
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SGT Christopher Doyle
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It possible cases like this that make it harder for those of us who have possible PTSD to truly get help. I have requested screening twice and have been told I don't fit the criteria as I have learned through mental practice to not react harshly to loud unexpected noises. Took years to retrain my brain. But because I don't act guarded or wake up screaming I can't claim PTSD per the VA screening questions. Seems unfair that the above mentioned person seems to be playing the system.
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SPC C Moli
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I was told by the VA that I don’t have PTSD, I didn’t appeal it because I was going through a divorce at the time. A private psychologist did diagnose me with it. I know I have it. That psychologist had since retired and I’m having a hard time finding someone with the credentials to evaluate me and write a nexus letter. It’s almost as if they are all afraid of doing it. Extremely frustrated.
A person is never cured of PTSD, they just learn how to cope with it. The VA counselor I went to was no help. Our sessions didn’t help. She meant well, but was a younger lady who couldn’t comprehend what combat is like. She never let me talk about it, never answered my questions. My main question is why does my combat experience affect my personal life? I still haven’t got an answer from a professional. Anything I have learned has been from googling it.
It’s a frustrating process
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CPL Tamar Grayson
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You have to try different psychologist/ psychiatrist … I went through at least 7-8 until I found one that work for me. It’s not the best treatment but I feel like I’m improving some days and many others I’m on a decline struggling but I’ll take 4-5 bad days versus 7 … I haven’t been the S Word (trigger) in about 2 years … it’s still a Struggle.. I pray that everyone gets released from this terrible disease and live healthier lives mentally.
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PO2 Stephen Brownell
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If they have PTSD they can't get a weapon permit or a hunting license
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Sgt Robert Anchors
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As someone who has gone through this process (I was seeing base mental health a year before I got out. I was being seen continuously for 7 years before applying for benefits. By that time I been in a psych ward 3 times). The process of applying for and getting service connected for PTSD isn't that simple. Not only that but you face all kinds biases against you from VA employees.
Many years ago when the VA allowed smoking on their campus I went to a smoke shack and started up a conversation with a person there. I mentioned I had applied for PTSD benefits. He responded by saying that he automatically denies every PTSD claim that he comes across. I didn't know he was an employee till that moment. His reasoning - because if he approved any of the PTSD claims then that/those vet/s would make more now then he would when he retired. This was many years ago around 1998. Of coarse you also get those that believe that any injury you can't see somehow doesn't exist. I think it's also good that someone brought up the fact that combat isn't the only place where someone might experience something that causes PTSD sever enough to affect their daily life.
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