Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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PO3 Robert Nunes
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For every one former vet (depending on which combat situations faced during combat tours) there are a 1000 Real Combat Veterans who never get nor can they get PTSD Compensation from actually being under combat conditions, not doing any firing of Guns... only being under Rocket/Shell Fire, but escaping unscathed!

How about either Un Dog Tagged SoG members or their Extractors from unlogged locations in Vietnam Cambodia/DMZ during/after TET? Don't you think they deserve PTSD Compensation extracting SoG Troops or being NO GLORY SoG Troops who are forbidden to even talk about it? On top of Agent Orange Exposure w/probable Prostrate Cancer!

So I say... that's one time where there is a "WHAT IF" while many many more never get a dime, yet still suffer flashbacks, Auto Immune Disorders coming from a Continuous State of an Over Active Adrenaline Gland! Plain & Simple to see, though such a Veteran can't prove anything as no records can be found they have a legitimate reason to claim Full PTSD Disablement, that can't be proved on paper w/ records destroyed or preventive measures. Like me being on the Log prevented from logging Location in Cambodia for the Cambodia SoG Extraction! ....yet can't talk about it... seems absurd after over 50 yrs!!!
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SrA Charles Martin
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We should be worrying about veterans who don't get the help they need rather than speculating on whether veterans who did get benefits deserved them. No one dies from undeserved benefits. Lots of veterans regularly die because they VA failed to help them.
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SPC David C.
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"Possibly serves ONLY one overseas tour" So he spent a quarter of his contract in combat and you're crying because why? What business is it of yours if he has, or doesn't have, PTSD? Did he run one over on you? If so, call the cops and let them deal with it. Listen up airforce loadmaster, you don't get to shit talk grunts and expect me to show you any degree of respect. If you have a problem with his claim then you take it to the VA, not post your cry baby bullshit to the world. Honestly I don't believe a single thing you're claiming. You wanna know what I would do if I were you? Mind your own fucking business.
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SP5 Ray Carletello
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During my time in the army in Korea 1977 I was a recovery specialist while on a Hawk Missile run going back up North to Camp Red Cloud one of our 5 ton trucks with 6 new Hawk missiles broke down my job was to hook up a tow bar to one truck to have it towed back keeping my wreaker free to assist other vehicles if needed when we got back into town Red Cloud area the streets were narrow, the 5 ton truck in front of me that was being towed by another 5 ton truck cut a turn sharp And ran over a 12 year old Korean girl many years went by I could see this in my mind second time was a deuce 1/2 leaving the front gate of CRC Camp Red Cloud and a old fella hit the back of the truck and killed him he was on a motorcycle hauling ass my time in the service there were no diagnosis of PTSD, or ringing in the ears tinnitus. The young girl was very difficult to get out of my mind I’ll be 65 soon and it’s a distant memory now the truck driver that ran her over didn’t even know just me and the Korean MP s that stoped then it was relayed back on the radio to the CO and XO they pulled out of the convoy u turned back told me to catch up to the rear truck that’s was towing and get back to post found out by the our XO family was paid off for there loss . I never talked about it in my days in the service you would be considered a weak person the different ratings I’ve but in for says your are a peace time veteran denied that’s what I’ve experience so far. Being a peace time veteran stationed in Korea
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1LT Brandon Brackett
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If you are making up a hypothetical scenario, you need a better hobby
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CPL Tamar Grayson
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No disrespect … Only A Doctor can determine that. Evidently they saw his case as extreme. Some people who live with any condition can claim they are cured, whether or not if they are or not; again is between them and their doctor, no one shouldn’t assume. Some people don’t have the mental capacity to fully understand PTSD, some don’t like talking to psychiatrists or psychologists .. Some don’t like reopening the womb even if it may lead to healing. It’s very painful for some. Some are called names ie “crazy” … and have to argue that they aren’t it’s a thousand reasons why people are the way they are and do the things they do because PTSD Leaves you with a void of space and time .. some can fill it with help medicine, therapy, etc. while others choose not too … It doesn’t mean they don’t have it. It’s so easy for people to judge others. No one can see inside someone’s head .. Unless you are a brain surgeon. Just saying. We gotta stop being critical of one another and hope they seek help in the near future.
As far as gun licensing conceal/ carry the last time I checked most mass shooters who have hunted for target practice had a clean record. We do need stricter gun laws and mental health evaluations should take part in it. So there’s that .. I hear you and it is a valid complaint if you know for certain then report it. That’s a fine line for a lawsuit though …
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MGySgt Louis Saracina
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Unless delayed incompetent and assigned a fiduciary he rates a concealed carry. Check USC38 Chpt 11 and 12. PTSD does not mean you are dangerous. Do not guess.
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SP6 Cathy Goosby
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Veteran does not deserve to claim PTSD because he has never been to Combat or been in a situation causing his PTSD. Soldier should be investigated and stronger tests for PTSD should be given. If found guilty, he should lose that part of his disability.
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GySgt Ray Harris
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I run a website for recruiting Border Patrol Agents. (HonorFirst.com). I can't tell you how often I see veterans with PTSD or other "disabilities" claim the issue will not interfere with their duties as a BPA. If you have compensable disabilities with the VA, chances are you are not suitable for the rough and tumble duties of a BPA. Either you are lying to yourself, or you are faking it. Decide which you want, but don't go for both.
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SSG James Stodola
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There are so many issues here to sort through for a real answer. Did the person bring issues with them upon entering service, probably, we all have them of one type or another. Some most likely hope that some of these will be "fixed' by their service and maybe so in some cases. You don't need to fire a weapon in combat, or anywhere else for that matter to develop PTSD. Many things contribute to that process. The issue of getting orders for overseas tour sound to me more like a false plea to get out of the deployment by claiming a problem which may exist, to be more urgent than it really is. That one is a questionable claim for sure. It is a puzzle to me as to how he got benefits if it was for the PTSD as all of this information would be in their records and could easily be scrutinized by the VA, and seeing how they work he most likely would not be awarded benefits based upon those and any subsequent exams such as the C&P exam if given. PTSD does NOT get "cured". It can lesson with help and lifestyle changes but it is always there if you have it. As far as the last part, can this person concealed carry, probably as most permits are issued through county sheriff's offices and they typically don't check military records unless something is shown in the persons history that would warrant that. They usually only check state and local records. It has been 32 years for me since I was in a combat theater, I still have what they call hypervigilance, which is only symptom of PTSD, I have never experienced any other symptoms and have had no issues in coping with life after the fact. So as others have said here, it affect all in many ways, some small and some large.
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