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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 465
My PTSD didn't come from overseas it came from my best friend committing suicide on the steps of the mental health building at wainwright
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I'm going on 32 years as of today from being discharged from active duty. I'm 100% Unemployable for physical injuries I was denied PTSD do to my childhood trauma of physical, sexual and verbal abuse from my family! I had spoken about this in my sessions during my psychiatric therapy and medical treatment. So VA denied me because my PTSD was caused not by my military service but because of my childhood trauma! I was a 13B Crew member (ABN) at Fort Bragg N.C Served in Desert Storm Desert Shield. I witnessed when many died because of an accident in Fort Sill Oklahoma where A Gunner misfired his cannon do to the wrong powder count put in the chamber, 1989 . I then went to Fort Benning Georgia for Airborne training, qualified but never knew I had vertigo until I was put at the front of a 100 foot apparatus, not mentioning aC130 waiting for the green light to come up! I had 5 jumps to qualify although in one of those my chute got tangled so I had to bicycle while falling in a rapid spin eventually I hit the ground thinking I had broken every bone in my body, thank God I was 18. Got up shook my legs and kept running towards my rally point
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I'm going on 32 years as of today from being discharged from active duty. I'm 100% Unemployable for physical injuries I was denied PTSD do to my childhood trauma of physical, sexual and verbal abuse from my family! I had spoken about this in my sessions during my psychiatric therapy and medical treatment. So VA denied me because my PTSD was caused not by my military service but because of my childhood trauma! I was a 13B Crew member (ABN) at Fort Bragg N.C Served in Desert Storm Desert Shield. I witnessed when many died because of an accident in Fort Sill Oklahoma where A Gunner misfired his cannon do to the wrong powder count put in the chamber, 1989 . I then went to Fort Benning Georgia for Airborne training, qualified but never knew I had vertigo until I was put at the front of a 100 foot apparatus, not mentioning aC130 waiting for the green light to come up! I had 5 jumps to qualify although in one of those my chute got tangled so I had to bicycle while falling in a rapid spin eventually I hit the ground thinking I had broken every bone in my body, thank God I was 18. Got up shook my legs and kept running towards my rally point
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At the level described it does seem like an injustice, but we do not have all the background and facts of the case. PTSD can be caused by other serious trauma besides combat duty. For example, another soldier could have assaulted him and he may have been injured or been in fear for his life on base. He could have been off base at a bar and attacked by local civilians and faced serious injury or death. There are many things that could have happened to him. Whatever happened to him does not justify threatening to kill his comrades and I think there should be some disciplinary action taken on this.
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It's almost impossible to get anyone to do anything about fraud. I know someone that lied about their feet being F'ed up and needing special arches and everything since birth. It's an issue that if they would have included it in their final packet going to mepps, it would have excluded them from being able to enlist. So they omitted it (fraudulently enlisting) from their information and low and behold; guess who never made it through basic because of the issue with their feet that they fraudulently omitted from their records. All the information from it was at a specialty clinic so just forget about it, like it never happened. So this person gets medically discharged (and somehow has it on their DD-214 that they are a GULF WAR VET) from basic because of issues with their feet, and start collecting VA DISABILITY (10%) after using the Sioux falls VA (1999-2000, even though they lived in mn) because they were much "easier and more lenient" than the Minneapolis VA in getting a claim through. Time goes on and their percentage gradually increases, to 20%, then they get vocational rehabilitation to pay for 4-5 years of nursing school (with bad feet which prevent then from being on their feet long periods of time), and they they get their percentage increased again to 30% and then vocational rehabilitation pays for this person to go to school again so that they can become a school nurse, and then gets their percentage increased to 40%! meanwhile the 23 years that they have been fraudulently claiming benefits (due to their fraudulent enlistment) they were constantly bringing her ex-husband (T&P 100% since 2005) into court and trying to get him to pay more in child support, everything she got a raise for her fraudulent disability payments, she knew he got a raise, so back into court to modify the order order, and this went on from 2003-2023. And she was working as a nurse at the Mayo clinic from 2005-2018ish she also remarried in that time and combined their income was close to $200k, but every year there was a COLA, of course she had the money to hire a lawyer to go back In and milk more of her ex's disability compensation. This was so ridiculous that in 2008, a district judge (issued an illegal order) went against United States Code and ordered her 100% T&P EX to: 1. Open a bank account under his name in MN, 2. HAVE HIS VA DISABILITY PAYMENT DIRECTLY DEPOSITED TO THAT ACCOUNT (because they tried to have it garnished at least 15 times which the VA replied with the money is federally protected and that's illegal), and 3. Sign a waiver that gives BROWN County access to do whatever they want to do with those funds. The T&P veteran was given 2 weeks to comply with the illegal order, when he showed up two weeks later in court, the judge asked him if he got it done. When the veteran replied with a print out of the U.S.Code protecting VA disability money and gave it to the judge and told him that what he ordered was illegal, the judge threw him in jail for 90 days for contempt, even though the order was illegally issued. This veteran went through hell, including having his service and tour in a hazardous duty/combat zone used against him for 5 years as to the reason he couldn't have his children for overnights (when in reality it was used so the mother could milk more child support out of him) All this due to his ex-wife and her lawyer, but do you think he could ever get anyone to do anything about her lying on her initial application to get into the military and collecting millions in compensation and benefits since, nope. They don't really care about fraud or someone using and abusing the system . They'll prosecute people that have actually been to war for maybe embellishing a little bit on their achievements but you show them someone that's a complete fraud; a GULF WAR VET, that never made it out of basic training because of a condition they were born with and failed to put down on their application (punishable by fine/jail time and/or both), and not one agency, not one OIG (OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL), does anything to correct the situation and/or try to recover any of the money milked out of the VA by this woman and will apparently keep paying her age 43 now, for the rest of her life. It's a damn shame.
As far as this situation, I'd like to say that if it is fraudulent or or not; the VA will figure it out but probably not. One day he'll have to answer for it if it is fraudulent, you'd hope but I wouldn't let it bother you as you probably have enough of your own things to deal with and worry about.
********And yes, if you havent figured it out by now, the woman being referred to in this story is my ex. I have first hand knowledge of the foot issue as we were together in high school and both enlisted straight outta high school, (so this isnt hearsay or he said she said), i was there whenn the recruiter told her that if he inckuded it, it would prevent her from being accepted, so he was going to leave the decision between her and god! One of us didn't lie on our application and finished basic started at Camp Casey (2ID) and finished with Iraq being the final tour of an almost 5 year enlistment. It's a shame that they don't care about real fraud. Those punishments (jail and/or fine or both) for lying on applications to the federal government apparently only matter if you make it into he military and do a few years or they don't matter at all. **********************
As far as this situation, I'd like to say that if it is fraudulent or or not; the VA will figure it out but probably not. One day he'll have to answer for it if it is fraudulent, you'd hope but I wouldn't let it bother you as you probably have enough of your own things to deal with and worry about.
********And yes, if you havent figured it out by now, the woman being referred to in this story is my ex. I have first hand knowledge of the foot issue as we were together in high school and both enlisted straight outta high school, (so this isnt hearsay or he said she said), i was there whenn the recruiter told her that if he inckuded it, it would prevent her from being accepted, so he was going to leave the decision between her and god! One of us didn't lie on our application and finished basic started at Camp Casey (2ID) and finished with Iraq being the final tour of an almost 5 year enlistment. It's a shame that they don't care about real fraud. Those punishments (jail and/or fine or both) for lying on applications to the federal government apparently only matter if you make it into he military and do a few years or they don't matter at all. **********************
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For every one former vet (depending on which combat situations faced during combat tours) there are a 1000 Real Combat Veterans who never get nor can they get PTSD Compensation from actually being under combat conditions, not doing any firing of Guns... only being under Rocket/Shell Fire, but escaping unscathed!
How about either Un Dog Tagged SoG members or their Extractors from unlogged locations in Vietnam Cambodia/DMZ during/after TET? Don't you think they deserve PTSD Compensation extracting SoG Troops or being NO GLORY SoG Troops who are forbidden to even talk about it? On top of Agent Orange Exposure w/probable Prostrate Cancer!
So I say... that's one time where there is a "WHAT IF" while many many more never get a dime, yet still suffer flashbacks, Auto Immune Disorders coming from a Continuous State of an Over Active Adrenaline Gland! Plain & Simple to see, though such a Veteran can't prove anything as no records can be found they have a legitimate reason to claim Full PTSD Disablement, that can't be proved on paper w/ records destroyed or preventive measures. Like me being on the Log prevented from logging Location in Cambodia for the Cambodia SoG Extraction! ....yet can't talk about it... seems absurd after over 50 yrs!!!
How about either Un Dog Tagged SoG members or their Extractors from unlogged locations in Vietnam Cambodia/DMZ during/after TET? Don't you think they deserve PTSD Compensation extracting SoG Troops or being NO GLORY SoG Troops who are forbidden to even talk about it? On top of Agent Orange Exposure w/probable Prostrate Cancer!
So I say... that's one time where there is a "WHAT IF" while many many more never get a dime, yet still suffer flashbacks, Auto Immune Disorders coming from a Continuous State of an Over Active Adrenaline Gland! Plain & Simple to see, though such a Veteran can't prove anything as no records can be found they have a legitimate reason to claim Full PTSD Disablement, that can't be proved on paper w/ records destroyed or preventive measures. Like me being on the Log prevented from logging Location in Cambodia for the Cambodia SoG Extraction! ....yet can't talk about it... seems absurd after over 50 yrs!!!
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We should be worrying about veterans who don't get the help they need rather than speculating on whether veterans who did get benefits deserved them. No one dies from undeserved benefits. Lots of veterans regularly die because they VA failed to help them.
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"Possibly serves ONLY one overseas tour" So he spent a quarter of his contract in combat and you're crying because why? What business is it of yours if he has, or doesn't have, PTSD? Did he run one over on you? If so, call the cops and let them deal with it. Listen up airforce loadmaster, you don't get to shit talk grunts and expect me to show you any degree of respect. If you have a problem with his claim then you take it to the VA, not post your cry baby bullshit to the world. Honestly I don't believe a single thing you're claiming. You wanna know what I would do if I were you? Mind your own fucking business.
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During my time in the army in Korea 1977 I was a recovery specialist while on a Hawk Missile run going back up North to Camp Red Cloud one of our 5 ton trucks with 6 new Hawk missiles broke down my job was to hook up a tow bar to one truck to have it towed back keeping my wreaker free to assist other vehicles if needed when we got back into town Red Cloud area the streets were narrow, the 5 ton truck in front of me that was being towed by another 5 ton truck cut a turn sharp And ran over a 12 year old Korean girl many years went by I could see this in my mind second time was a deuce 1/2 leaving the front gate of CRC Camp Red Cloud and a old fella hit the back of the truck and killed him he was on a motorcycle hauling ass my time in the service there were no diagnosis of PTSD, or ringing in the ears tinnitus. The young girl was very difficult to get out of my mind I’ll be 65 soon and it’s a distant memory now the truck driver that ran her over didn’t even know just me and the Korean MP s that stoped then it was relayed back on the radio to the CO and XO they pulled out of the convoy u turned back told me to catch up to the rear truck that’s was towing and get back to post found out by the our XO family was paid off for there loss . I never talked about it in my days in the service you would be considered a weak person the different ratings I’ve but in for says your are a peace time veteran denied that’s what I’ve experience so far. Being a peace time veteran stationed in Korea
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