Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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SP5 Ray-Quan Johnson
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I’m sorry, not to be rude but that’s honestly none of your business. Doctor’s recommend medication but you don’t have to take it. Also, you can’t claim PTSD. You get tested for it and usually you take the test twice and there are formulas built into to notice if you’re faking. He doesn’t have to explain to you how he feels or what he’s going through because you’re not behavioral health or a doctor. Leave that man alone. If you feel like you have PTSD you can go to behavioral health and get diagnosed like he did, but you’re stepping out of your bounds.
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SA Clifford Junior
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Well ,if he never saw combat or fired a weapon may not in itself prove full disability. If he lied to his family, or maybe his doctors, this is a different story.Has it been proven to the Va that he lied to family members or doctors ? In my opinion, even though he never fired his weapon, I believe the fact he was in the war zone as opposed to the the demilitarized zone ,may be enough to receive a hundred percent .I know of a person, who received a retroactive payment for 275,000 dollars, about eight years ago.The dude has a beautiful wife, in another state, but may be considered a dog ,when he visits relatives here, in Buffalo ,Ny.Now, I receive full disability for schizophrenia. Most of my friends are disabled vets. I'm not a doctor but, my friend who received over two hundred grand eight years ago isn't crazy.But ,what's the true definition of crazy.Famous TV shrink Doctor Phil ,considers the word crazy ,to be derogative..Just because a person takes psychotropic drugs ,and has behavioral issues, does this prove them to be crazy? Does anyone on Earth, have the right to say ,whether or not, a veteran deserves all that cash?I mean ,the fact that he or she receives government payments in the first place , is that within itself, a legal explanation as to the question Why ?
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SPC Tammy Yarbrough
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First off, the Veteran served 4 years in the military and obviously, during his entrance examinations, there was no mental health diagnosis noted....meaning he is found fit for duty. If the military did not note or find a pre-existing condition upon enlistment, then it is assumed he is sound. Therefore, pre-existing is out the window. Secondly, just because he went 4 years in the military without a diagnosis doesn't mean something didn't happen. He did serve in an overseas tour in which the VA concedes exposures for PTSD. The fact of whether or not he fired his weapon is not relevant. Thirdly, you can carry a weapon and purchase guns with a diagnosis of PTSD as long as you are not 100% s/c for the diagnosis of PTSD ONLY. Lastly, there is more to obtaining a s/c for PTSD than the service member "lying" during his examination. There are steps that the VBA goes thru to verify stressors that occurred during service. The fact that this Veteran is going around telling his family and others what ever he wants to tell them is his business. Just because you don't like what the Veteran says or does is not the determining factor as to whether this Veteran has a problem or not. I understand your thoughts/concerns. But the fact that this Veteran is all over the place with his thoughts or actions is generally a clear indicator that something is going on. I really wish people would be as concerned with helping each other as they are about what their s/c percentage is.
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MSG Brenda Neal
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The basic symptoms of PTSD are on the internet. They go much deeper than that. I had no idea why I was on high alert all the time when I wasn't in combat, only exposed to conditions in basic and in training exercises. I had multiple diagnosis in my VA chart and put on antipsyhcotics for 15 years. At 60, I went to a neurologist that proved to me I had nothing but PTSD. It's not a disorder, it's a syndrome. I saw a neuropsychiatrist, took 5 hours of testing and proved it was only Traumatic Syndrome. Period. People can become mentally ill if untreated early on or just told your mentally ill, then drugged. Everyone with a claim of PTSD can be tested like I was.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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Questionable,he lied several times.
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SGT Kenneth Rand
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My PTSD didn't come from overseas it came from my best friend committing suicide on the steps of the mental health building at wainwright
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SPC Oscar TorresPlata
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I'm going on 32 years as of today from being discharged from active duty. I'm 100% Unemployable for physical injuries I was denied PTSD do to my childhood trauma of physical, sexual and verbal abuse from my family! I had spoken about this in my sessions during my psychiatric therapy and medical treatment. So VA denied me because my PTSD was caused not by my military service but because of my childhood trauma! I was a 13B Crew member (ABN) at Fort Bragg N.C Served in Desert Storm Desert Shield. I witnessed when many died because of an accident in Fort Sill Oklahoma where A Gunner misfired his cannon do to the wrong powder count put in the chamber, 1989 . I then went to Fort Benning Georgia for Airborne training, qualified but never knew I had vertigo until I was put at the front of a 100 foot apparatus, not mentioning aC130 waiting for the green light to come up! I had 5 jumps to qualify although in one of those my chute got tangled so I had to bicycle while falling in a rapid spin eventually I hit the ground thinking I had broken every bone in my body, thank God I was 18. Got up shook my legs and kept running towards my rally point
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SPC Oscar TorresPlata
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I'm going on 32 years as of today from being discharged from active duty. I'm 100% Unemployable for physical injuries I was denied PTSD do to my childhood trauma of physical, sexual and verbal abuse from my family! I had spoken about this in my sessions during my psychiatric therapy and medical treatment. So VA denied me because my PTSD was caused not by my military service but because of my childhood trauma! I was a 13B Crew member (ABN) at Fort Bragg N.C Served in Desert Storm Desert Shield. I witnessed when many died because of an accident in Fort Sill Oklahoma where A Gunner misfired his cannon do to the wrong powder count put in the chamber, 1989 . I then went to Fort Benning Georgia for Airborne training, qualified but never knew I had vertigo until I was put at the front of a 100 foot apparatus, not mentioning aC130 waiting for the green light to come up! I had 5 jumps to qualify although in one of those my chute got tangled so I had to bicycle while falling in a rapid spin eventually I hit the ground thinking I had broken every bone in my body, thank God I was 18. Got up shook my legs and kept running towards my rally point
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SPC John Estabrook
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At the level described it does seem like an injustice, but we do not have all the background and facts of the case. PTSD can be caused by other serious trauma besides combat duty. For example, another soldier could have assaulted him and he may have been injured or been in fear for his life on base. He could have been off base at a bar and attacked by local civilians and faced serious injury or death. There are many things that could have happened to him. Whatever happened to him does not justify threatening to kill his comrades and I think there should be some disciplinary action taken on this.
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SPC Owner
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It's almost impossible to get anyone to do anything about fraud. I know someone that lied about their feet being F'ed up and needing special arches and everything since birth. It's an issue that if they would have included it in their final packet going to mepps, it would have excluded them from being able to enlist. So they omitted it (fraudulently enlisting) from their information and low and behold; guess who never made it through basic because of the issue with their feet that they fraudulently omitted from their records. All the information from it was at a specialty clinic so just forget about it, like it never happened. So this person gets medically discharged (and somehow has it on their DD-214 that they are a GULF WAR VET) from basic because of issues with their feet, and start collecting VA DISABILITY (10%) after using the Sioux falls VA (1999-2000, even though they lived in mn) because they were much "easier and more lenient" than the Minneapolis VA in getting a claim through. Time goes on and their percentage gradually increases, to 20%, then they get vocational rehabilitation to pay for 4-5 years of nursing school (with bad feet which prevent then from being on their feet long periods of time), and they they get their percentage increased again to 30% and then vocational rehabilitation pays for this person to go to school again so that they can become a school nurse, and then gets their percentage increased to 40%! meanwhile the 23 years that they have been fraudulently claiming benefits (due to their fraudulent enlistment) they were constantly bringing her ex-husband (T&P 100% since 2005) into court and trying to get him to pay more in child support, everything she got a raise for her fraudulent disability payments, she knew he got a raise, so back into court to modify the order order, and this went on from 2003-2023. And she was working as a nurse at the Mayo clinic from 2005-2018ish she also remarried in that time and combined their income was close to $200k, but every year there was a COLA, of course she had the money to hire a lawyer to go back In and milk more of her ex's disability compensation. This was so ridiculous that in 2008, a district judge (issued an illegal order) went against United States Code and ordered her 100% T&P EX to: 1. Open a bank account under his name in MN, 2. HAVE HIS VA DISABILITY PAYMENT DIRECTLY DEPOSITED TO THAT ACCOUNT (because they tried to have it garnished at least 15 times which the VA replied with the money is federally protected and that's illegal), and 3. Sign a waiver that gives BROWN County access to do whatever they want to do with those funds. The T&P veteran was given 2 weeks to comply with the illegal order, when he showed up two weeks later in court, the judge asked him if he got it done. When the veteran replied with a print out of the U.S.Code protecting VA disability money and gave it to the judge and told him that what he ordered was illegal, the judge threw him in jail for 90 days for contempt, even though the order was illegally issued. This veteran went through hell, including having his service and tour in a hazardous duty/combat zone used against him for 5 years as to the reason he couldn't have his children for overnights (when in reality it was used so the mother could milk more child support out of him) All this due to his ex-wife and her lawyer, but do you think he could ever get anyone to do anything about her lying on her initial application to get into the military and collecting millions in compensation and benefits since, nope. They don't really care about fraud or someone using and abusing the system . They'll prosecute people that have actually been to war for maybe embellishing a little bit on their achievements but you show them someone that's a complete fraud; a GULF WAR VET, that never made it out of basic training because of a condition they were born with and failed to put down on their application (punishable by fine/jail time and/or both), and not one agency, not one OIG (OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL), does anything to correct the situation and/or try to recover any of the money milked out of the VA by this woman and will apparently keep paying her age 43 now, for the rest of her life. It's a damn shame.

As far as this situation, I'd like to say that if it is fraudulent or or not; the VA will figure it out but probably not. One day he'll have to answer for it if it is fraudulent, you'd hope but I wouldn't let it bother you as you probably have enough of your own things to deal with and worry about.


********And yes, if you havent figured it out by now, the woman being referred to in this story is my ex. I have first hand knowledge of the foot issue as we were together in high school and both enlisted straight outta high school, (so this isnt hearsay or he said she said), i was there whenn the recruiter told her that if he inckuded it, it would prevent her from being accepted, so he was going to leave the decision between her and god! One of us didn't lie on our application and finished basic started at Camp Casey (2ID) and finished with Iraq being the final tour of an almost 5 year enlistment. It's a shame that they don't care about real fraud. Those punishments (jail and/or fine or both) for lying on applications to the federal government apparently only matter if you make it into he military and do a few years or they don't matter at all. **********************
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