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Let me introduce myself as this is my first post. My name is Quinton Shipley and I enlisted in 2017 as a 14 month senior for 11x and ship this summer. Now that is out of the way let me get to the point. I have gotten mixed answers on this. The answers I have been given from my recruiter and from my meeting with the Captain at the recruiters office. They both said without a doubt in their voice that your degree doesn't matter. So my question for you enlisted and officers is does it matter what your degree is (ex. History)? Confused on degree choices until I get this all figured out.
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LTC John Shaw
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PFC (Join to see) If you want to be an Infantry officer the degree may not matter; however, all people must engage in critical thinking to solve problems. Make sure your chosen degree provides enough exposure to resolve problems using people and tools (mechanical devices).
West Point uses the philosophy of Engineering as the basis for their degree. Looking back at my career I would advocate for STEM or Engineering degree to provide the background necessary to get into specialized branches that require high technical competence.
You spoke with enlisted recruiters, you need to talk to the Officer recruiters, this is the ROTC department in any University around your location, even if you don't plan on going to school there.
If you go to the Air Force & Navy ROTC, the first question they will ask if what degree you are pursuing? If you say anything but Engineering, they will become luke warm or even stop recruiting you.
Army ROTC, if you are in Engineering then Combat Engineer, Aviation, Signal, ADA become much more open to you. We can use almost any degree, but your GPA and performance need to be as high as you can make it. The Army will compare you to thousands of other officers and there are only a so many active duty slots in Infantry and the West Point graduates will get first choice over you.
So while the degree may not matter, your choice of degree will have an impact and start to limit your options.
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COL Dana Hampton
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Concur. STEM is critial to success in today's environment. My regret, not taking more of these type of courses over the years.
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MAJ Alvin B.
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Pick the degree that works for you. The rest will work out.
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A1C Ian Williams
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Very good advice, sir MAJ Alvin B. By completing the degree, you should have more competency in a skill and also know how your brain learns in order to gain new competencies.
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The army is trying to steer towards STEM degrees for certain career fields especially for some of the functional areas, but for the most part your choice of degree doesn't matter as much as GPA in determining your branch choice and future career. The degree does not make the officer- it just shows the military that you posses of a certain level of independence and are capable committing to a course of instruction.
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CPT Enrique M.
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Aerospace engineering or mechanical? You can switch to test piloting and apply engineering there. I have a friend of a family that graduated from a bs and ms in aerospace engineering and now he works for boeing after he retired from the military.
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Maj John Bell
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A1C Ian Williams - I got a B.S. in Naval Architecture, (essentially a highly specialized mechanical engineer) and was required to take and pass the Licensed practical Engineer (LPE) Exam; roughly the Engineer's equivalent to the Bar Exam. I then became a Marine Infantry Officer.

If your military work experience does not build your curriculum vitae as an engineer, and/or you don't take continuing education within your academic field while on active duty; you are dead in the water as an engineer upon separation. I had job offers from Naval Architecture firms, but they were as "managing architect," the business end of Naval Architecture, and had zero to do with actual ship design and construction. I was told in no uncertain terms that if I wanted back in the practical application side of Naval Architecture I was looking at about 2-4 years of full-time college, probably at my own expense.
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A1C Ian Williams
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CPT Enrique M. - Thank you, sir those are good avenues for me to explore. I do want to experience test piloting and yes, aerospace engineering is the right path for me. Congratulations to your friend of the family.
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A1C Ian Williams
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Thank you, sir for your response Maj John Bell The course work will be very welcome and I would be more than delighted to complete multiple degrees while also fulfilling my duties as an officer. Thank you for sharing your story and I will take to heart what you mean about being on the business end. Lucrative as that is, I do hope to also immerse myself fully in blueprints and contracting.
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For the Army, does it matter what academic discipline your degree is in?
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Quinton-Yes and no.

Ask yourself the following questions: Do you want to pursue higher advancement in the future? If so, does that include pursuing a commission? Do you plan on a military career, and if not, what do you hope to ultimately do in civilian life? Would that future career be in the public or private sector?

Back "in the day", I can assure you that the prevailing guidance for young officer candidates was to choose a degree you could get a high GPA in, regardless of focus of study. Why? Since many commissioning programs (Academy, some ROTC variants) are scholarships, and require a min. GPA, not to mention, are competitive for service assignment...it behooved the hopeful second lieutenant or ensign to concentrate on the "here and now".

That's mostly changed over the years as it "seems" to be steadily getting more difficult to make twenty years, and the competition in the civilian sector is getting steeper.

My advice is to select a degree that gives you the best options post-military. A History degree (mine) won't do you much good unless you plan on pursuing advanced degrees and staying in academia. You could end up being an archaeologist, a professor, or a writer. A degree in a "hard science" such as chemistry, engineering, mathematics may open the doors to project management or engineering. You may also consider business degrees, law, etc...anything that can be a gateway to a "professional" career.

As an officer of Infantry (sounds like your goal), none of the above will matter half as much as how well you learn what the Army will teach you. You need a degree of some sort to become an officer, and you likely want to consider a master's degree at some point, but what will influence your evaluations (we call 'em FITREPs in the Navy) most will be your competency in the field. Sadly; and I hope some of my peers here on RP will back me up on this...what may make an excellent field officer, doesn't always get recognized in the civilian world.

When it comes to picking a degree...don't worry too much about how it's going to influence your immediate or short term future...worry more about how it will influence you when you leave active service. I didn't, and ended up going from being a Division Officer to manual labor for under $9/hr despite having a degree from Annapolis. I managed to get "back up", but it was a long, hard, risky climb.

Best of luck and best wishes!
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Thanks for the advice sir. Well said on how you put it. I do indeed plan on making it a career 20-30 years is what im aiming for. To me enlisted the full 20 just doesnt seem like a challenge. But overall thanks for the advice.
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Quinton-Please allow me to kindly correct you on one point (well, several really). I wouldn't start out your career believing that a career as an enlisted man is anything less than challenging...I'm certain many here on RP can/will tell you that it is. I'm equally certain this would be a poor perception to take into your first tour as an inexperienced officer.

There's only one reason (in my opinion) someone should choose to pursue a commission, as opposed to an enlisted career. If you sincerely believe in the ideals of the Constitution, the overall and continuous importance of the U.S. Military, and want to serve both by being a "servant leader" to the personnel who make it possible...then maybe you have the right motivation.
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I'm sorry that I made that assumption as I have no experience as an enlisted individual.
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LCDR Sales & Proposals Manager Gas Turbine Products
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No harm, no foul...you'll begin to build that experience this summer, and it can only grow from there. Just bear in mind that a junior officer is still a "new" Solider with much to learn, and the lessons come primarily from the senior enlisted. At the ten year mark, an officer and an enlisted man will share some things in common, and diverge in other ways...but both have a vital role to play. Officers ultimately have a different focus, but I wouldn't presume either to be less rewarding. An SNCO can evoke a great deal of respect.
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Not at all. I earned a History degree and was branched Aviation.
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Was that the branch you wanted?
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It was the branch everybody wanted!!
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Infantry was my #2. Somebody said Aviation was the hardes branch to get so I said- Oh ya, watch this! I can’t back down from a challenge.
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I earned 2 majors (History and Political Science) while in college before commissioning in the Field Artillery through ROTC. Specialty branch like Chemical Corps, Medical Corps, Legal, may require specific degrees and/or post graduate education and licenses. For combat arms, particularly, college majors are not as important as is learning these 3 skills.

1. Learn to read. By that I mean learn to seek out information. Be an avid consumer of facts. Read opinions this differ. Challenge yourself and your mind to grow through reading. To this day, I still make it my goal to read 1-2 books per month.

2. Learn to write. The ability to communicate thoughts, ideas and concepts through the written word is an art. Being able to effectively write clearly and concisely will serve you well regardless your career field.

3. Learn to critically think. Challenge your assumptions and prejudices while sifting volumes of information throughout your life long learning efforts. Learning how to distill information to its more important points is hard and greatly beneficial work!

All that said, while in college, make sure you get the best educational experience you can for yourself. It's a gift you give yourself. It will reward you many times over while serving and after you've hung the uniform in the closet for the last time.
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Thanks for that sir. Glad that as long as I have the passion for it I can do it and don't have to get a specialty degree.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
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Clearly good advice. The more your academic discipline makes you well rounded, the more you will be able to organize and approach challenges, in your branch, your functional specialty, in leadership, and, most importantly, in combat
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As many have already said, major does not matter unless you are looking to get a professional degree, i.e. medical, dental, law, etc., and even then it does not necessarily matter. I attended BOLC with a certified and licensed chiropractor. He completed his four year undergrad degree and then another four years of medical school. After which he took the exam that allowed him to be certified and professionally recognized as a chiropractor. Due to some paperwork snafu while processing, the Army branched him HR and would not let him change branches until he served a specific amount of time. Needless to say he wasn't real happy with the Army but it benefited his platoon members greatly because after every ruck march, field exercise, or other event we would all line up to get re-aligned for free.
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LTC John Shaw
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If it was not true, I would be laughing!
This sounds like the Army assignment process that I knew and 'loved' for 31 years.
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A major may give a person a leg up in some cases, but generally does not have any affect on one's military career. Having a degree does help in other areas, though, such as points for promotion.
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PFC (Join to see) For Cyber and Engineering, corresponding degrees count/make a difference. For basic branch officer slots, they do not. This is not to say that academic performance doesn't matter, in fact GPA is weighted heavily for OML (I'm assuming that you are RC looking at an ROTC path to commissioning-if youre asking as an enlisted kid... no class matters at all for content, GPA and credit hours are all that matters at all really)
But prioritize your concerns (50 meter targets, you will soon learn to call them). A big part of an officer OML, and a bigger part of your life as an 11X (go for 11B if you have any say in it!!!) is PT. How many perfect form Push Ups can you do in two minutes, how many perfect form Sit Ups in that same amount of time, and how fast can you run two miles consecutively? College (major, classes, GPA) doesn't matter if you're failing your PT Test, you will lose any Army scholarship there is. If you are making the first part of your career as an enlitedman as I did, ignore any advice that tells you to have less than a 270 on a PT Test, aim for a 300 as an 11 series.
Go to any army school you can, Airborne, Air Assault, Path Finder, Ranger, Master Fitness Trainer, you name it if you're eligible. Have a high PT Score and know your job.
Read A Message to Garcia, and go from there (and ask questions here).
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COL Jon Thompson
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I am confused on what you are asking. The only requirement for a college degree is for an officer program such as ROTC. So it does not matter while you are enlisted. I know the expectation is that if you continue on in the enlisted ranks, you should get a college degree but that is down the road. Now for ROTC, there are only a few college degrees that actually relate to an officer branch. In many cases, officers that come through ROTC will not use their major at least in their initial assignments. There are a few that translate. A computer network major would fit right in to the Signal Corps and possibly Cyber Corps. Engineering majors (especially civil engineering) fit into the Engineer Corps. What matters more than a person's major is their academic performance, physical fitness, and cadet evaluations. But again, unless you are going to do an officer program, no degree will really matter.
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A1C Ian Williams
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Thank you, sir for answering my question as well COL Jon Thompson
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Plan on doing green to gold in the future that's what I was asking.
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