Posted on Aug 31, 2015
For those with weight control issues, have you seen anything like this?
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For those that have been on the not-so-slim side of weight in the military have you seen or experienced this? Many have the problem of Yo-Yo dieting or "cutting" weight to make H/W requirements for their respective branch or risk being chaptered. Should this be something that leaders brief their troops on along with the inherent dangers of quickly loosing weight and not keeping it off?
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We all have our opinions but 600-9 and 7-22 obviously supports this type of thing. Commanders are urged to conduct tape test at least 7 days prior to APFT as some Soldiers may crash diet and may not perform as well.
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SSG Warren Swan
Agreed 1SG, but I've never seen a CD-R tape early. I've only seen it done the day of, on random company weigh ins, and if you come up over a second immediate taping and should that show non-compliance, flagging and monthly weigh ins. You've shown me something new with this.
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1SG (Join to see)
The reason you are seeing the day of still going on is because leaders are still stuck in the 21-20 era. However, like everything else it is at the commanders discretion.
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Funny thing is that weight is always mentioned as something that will kill you. Weigh too much you will die from heart disease. Weigh too little, your organs are unprotected, and your body consumes its muscle mass to feed itself. Yo Yo dieting, and you die because your body can't adjust to the constant changes. Weigh your scientifically determined ideal weight, and you ride around on your fucking unicorn because nobody weighs their scientifically determined ideal weight.
Same goes with food. Look at fat. First it was eat no fat. Then it was fat is good. Now it is some fat of the right kind is good. Don't eat grilled meats because the carcinogens will give you cancer. Eat all the grilled meat you want, the carcinogens are filtered by the body. Eat lots of fruit. Don't eat too much fruit because it is loaded with sugar.
How much exercise is enough, how much is too much?
Finally, servings and portion control also are a huge problem. What's worse is that the food companies know this. Put two servings of juice in a bottle, and turn the masses loose. People will buy the bottle, and drink the whole bottle without looking on the back to see that they just consumed two servings at 150 calories each in one guzzle. In the U.S. we eat huge portions of high fat foods. We go out to eat, and eat all that is served without considering how much an actual serving is compared to what is served. Another new(ish) trend is the never ending side dishes. Order a burger, and they will bring french fries until you go into a food coma. Wake up from the food coma, and they bring another basket of fries. It has become culturally acceptable to binge eat when we go out to a restaurant.
All of these being said, I have been in a war with my waist since I hit puberty. I have been as low as 220 pounds, and as high as 435 pounds. The reality is, until the individual decides that they are no longer happy with the way their lifestyle is effecting their weight, no change is sustainable. It doesn't matter if a doctor says "keep eating that and you will die young." If the person does not want to make a lifestyle change, then no change is going to happen. In the last two years I went from 435 down to 370 back up to 410, and now I am back down to 353. I am determined to get back to my best health weight of 220. I have not just changed my diet and exercise, I have changed my approach. I had to change the way I think about life. Do I want a whopper with bacon, or do I want to be able to go hiking without stopping every half mile? Do I really want that Dr. Pepper, or do I want to not be a diabetic? The biggest thing for me has been taking small steps in the right direction to slowly change my habits over time. Once a habit is established, then it becomes like second nature to do the things that need to be done.
It is and it is not the service's responsibility to help their members maintain weight standards. Serving up a 2,000 calorie breakfast is okay for Marine's going on a two day patrol in which they will burn 20,000 or more calories. It is not okay for the sailor going from the mess deck to the CIC to be served that same 2,000 calorie breakfast. Of course the sailor should also choose not to eat that 2,000 calorie breakfast opting instead for fewer calories based on their activity level. When I was in the Navy, the portions that were served at meal times were substantially more than one serving. Again, it is okay when going out to do field exercises, but not so much when going to the shop for cleaning and PM. It should be encouraged for any service member who has down time, and wants to go exercise to do so. The healthy lifestyle of military members should be a part of the culture every day, not just on the days before and after a PFT cycle.
The Navy is a largely sedentary branch of the service. We go to sea on a small grey island. There are a large number of jobs that are more mentally demanding than they are physically demanding. It is easy to fall into bad habits. This is where training comes in. Training to not fall into bad habits. Training to not put off health, training to remain able to maintain standards. I wish that when I was in the Navy I had headed my own advice. I hope that anyone reading this who battles the weight demon will make an investment in their own life, and make positive changes.
Sorry for the rant, I just hope that someone can be saved from what I did to myself.
Same goes with food. Look at fat. First it was eat no fat. Then it was fat is good. Now it is some fat of the right kind is good. Don't eat grilled meats because the carcinogens will give you cancer. Eat all the grilled meat you want, the carcinogens are filtered by the body. Eat lots of fruit. Don't eat too much fruit because it is loaded with sugar.
How much exercise is enough, how much is too much?
Finally, servings and portion control also are a huge problem. What's worse is that the food companies know this. Put two servings of juice in a bottle, and turn the masses loose. People will buy the bottle, and drink the whole bottle without looking on the back to see that they just consumed two servings at 150 calories each in one guzzle. In the U.S. we eat huge portions of high fat foods. We go out to eat, and eat all that is served without considering how much an actual serving is compared to what is served. Another new(ish) trend is the never ending side dishes. Order a burger, and they will bring french fries until you go into a food coma. Wake up from the food coma, and they bring another basket of fries. It has become culturally acceptable to binge eat when we go out to a restaurant.
All of these being said, I have been in a war with my waist since I hit puberty. I have been as low as 220 pounds, and as high as 435 pounds. The reality is, until the individual decides that they are no longer happy with the way their lifestyle is effecting their weight, no change is sustainable. It doesn't matter if a doctor says "keep eating that and you will die young." If the person does not want to make a lifestyle change, then no change is going to happen. In the last two years I went from 435 down to 370 back up to 410, and now I am back down to 353. I am determined to get back to my best health weight of 220. I have not just changed my diet and exercise, I have changed my approach. I had to change the way I think about life. Do I want a whopper with bacon, or do I want to be able to go hiking without stopping every half mile? Do I really want that Dr. Pepper, or do I want to not be a diabetic? The biggest thing for me has been taking small steps in the right direction to slowly change my habits over time. Once a habit is established, then it becomes like second nature to do the things that need to be done.
It is and it is not the service's responsibility to help their members maintain weight standards. Serving up a 2,000 calorie breakfast is okay for Marine's going on a two day patrol in which they will burn 20,000 or more calories. It is not okay for the sailor going from the mess deck to the CIC to be served that same 2,000 calorie breakfast. Of course the sailor should also choose not to eat that 2,000 calorie breakfast opting instead for fewer calories based on their activity level. When I was in the Navy, the portions that were served at meal times were substantially more than one serving. Again, it is okay when going out to do field exercises, but not so much when going to the shop for cleaning and PM. It should be encouraged for any service member who has down time, and wants to go exercise to do so. The healthy lifestyle of military members should be a part of the culture every day, not just on the days before and after a PFT cycle.
The Navy is a largely sedentary branch of the service. We go to sea on a small grey island. There are a large number of jobs that are more mentally demanding than they are physically demanding. It is easy to fall into bad habits. This is where training comes in. Training to not fall into bad habits. Training to not put off health, training to remain able to maintain standards. I wish that when I was in the Navy I had headed my own advice. I hope that anyone reading this who battles the weight demon will make an investment in their own life, and make positive changes.
Sorry for the rant, I just hope that someone can be saved from what I did to myself.
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
You make a good point. very few doctors really know anything about nutrition. They read a few articles without paying attention to the fact that different articles and supposed authorities contradict each other all the time. I've been trying to lose weight for two years now and I'm running across that constantly.
Worse, doctors are on a kick of telling patients that EVERY ill is related to weight. It all comes down from above. Some genius says this and everyone believes it until another genius says something different.
Worse, doctors are on a kick of telling patients that EVERY ill is related to weight. It all comes down from above. Some genius says this and everyone believes it until another genius says something different.
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Funny how one only gets counseled when they fail the weigh in / body fat or PRT. If you barely make it then no one says anything. But once you fail, its like you are now public enemy number 1.
We need to educate our military better on eating and exercise habits. I know that myself, I was out of shape and I just didn't care as long as I passed my PRT every 6 months. Most people won't admit to having a weight problem until it slaps you in the face. We train for almost every possible scenario so why not train on proper eating and exercising as well and stress that throughout the year instead of when someone fails PRT.
We need to educate our military better on eating and exercise habits. I know that myself, I was out of shape and I just didn't care as long as I passed my PRT every 6 months. Most people won't admit to having a weight problem until it slaps you in the face. We train for almost every possible scenario so why not train on proper eating and exercising as well and stress that throughout the year instead of when someone fails PRT.
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SSG Warren Swan
True to a point, but like it was mentioned above, we are responsible for being in compliance. And as NCO's we have more knowledge than many, and it's our duty to inform those below us. But at no time even when I was on the receiving end of weight control did I know this was able to happen. I think maybe it would've been an eye opener, but then again I was one hard headed someone.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
SSG Warren Swan - with due respect, when I was in the Navy, some of the upper NCOs were more rotund than I was. They didn't receive the same negative aftermath from a PRT weight failure as lower enlisted did.
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I once had a Marine pass out in the sauna wearing a sauna suit lined with sweats due to the impending weight in. I explained maintenance VS purge to her.
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SSG Warren Swan
Thanks 1stSgt. I've had many NCO's talk to me during my time, and some were VERY smart on the subject, but not to where any of us knew the real dangers of this to this extent.
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1stSgt (Join to see)
SSG Warren Swan , I usually included a blurb about safe weight loss in my Friday safety brief before sounding libo the weekend before the weight in. I also retaped/weighted those who were close again the following week, without warning. Those who failed where sent to the MO for a safe weight loss counselling and the voluntold to join me for the "run for lunch" bunch. A couple of weeks of pulling a HMMWV around with a LAV tow rope was normally incentive for constant maintenance.
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I have seen this more times then I could count. I actually seen I guy pass out on the track during his PT test because he was so dehydrated from trying to make his waist measurement (which he did by just over an inch) to still fail by not completing the run.
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SSG Warren Swan
MSgt, that's why I posted this for those still in and having a direct influence on serving members. Knowledge is key, and having verified examples is the strength in that knowledge bag.
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It should be but we also should be monitoring those folks throughout the year, not just at the time for making weight. Although we only weigh in twice a year, we have an obligation to be in "fighting shape" all the time. I am all for slightly relaxing standards and making the PRT pass/fail only but having it be a surprise, not scheduled.
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SSG Warren Swan
Sir I agree, and I was one of those that had constant weight issues, and did the yo-yo dieting. But I had no idea of the damage that I was doing or possibly doing to myself, and it's not briefed to anyone either. Maybe it should to open the eyes and be used as another tool to shock troops to want to comply (but I'm not sure if that would've worked even then). Using Exlax, Prep H and plastic wraps, and all the other "tricks" should be re-thought maybe.
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LCDR (Join to see)
I agree, perhaps discussing this with the dangers applied instead of just saying they should be in better shape would hit home in an important way.
As CFL I did discuss and talk about the dangers of cutting weight, but I know it is not done uniformly. SSG Warren Swan
As CFL I did discuss and talk about the dangers of cutting weight, but I know it is not done uniformly. SSG Warren Swan
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