Posted on Jan 19, 2021
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Went on leave and ****ed up BIG! Smoked weed and failed my drug test. Yes I know I’m a dumbass and my career is over. What can I expect? Dishonorable or general or other than honorable?
I heard dishonorable comes only with felony things.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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Back in the dark ages (1970s) you would have been processes out of the service as unsuitable to serve. I did several separation investigations as a Captain back then. Things changed a lot. My guess is NJP and drug rehab. Do good and you’ll make it to the end of your enlistment.
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Am I supposed to pass drug rehab to stay in?
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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SPC (Join to see) you should complete drug rehab for yourself. You don’t need a lifelong addiction to anything, especially putting chemicals into your body for enjoyment. A good side effect of passing rehab may be staying in the Service to the end of your enlistment.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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DDs come from a General Court Martial and are for the worst offenses. Rule that one out.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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I'm no legal scholar but I've only ever seen a Dishonorable or Bad Conduct Discharge after conviction at Court Martial. Those do carry felony convictions into the civilian world. Typically, what I saw over my career was those who popped hot on a drug screen were given Other than Honorable or General Discharge as services usually don't waste the effort on Court Martial for drug use unless there are other violations of UCMJ along with it. General or OTH doesn't have felony status but you'll still staple that to every job application you submit for the rest of your life. Add to that, loss of education and VA benefits as those are tied to Honorable Discharge.

Best case assuming there are no previous disciplinary actions, you'll get Article 15 actions, be sent to a substance abuse program, and with luck retained in the service (at least until the end of your current enlistment). Whether your Commander recommends/approves reenlistment down the road could depend on to many factors to address here.
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What makes you get dishonorable or bad conduct discharge? & yes this is my first time ever in trouble or even getting counseled since I been at this unit in the 82nd. So I will get to stay in or they will be giving me the boot along with an article ?
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SPC (Join to see) - it's been a while since I was in command so it may have changed but it used to be that if you were E4 or below for first time offender it was mandatory to enroll you in a substance abuse program and give you another chance. but I think now it is commander's discretion. if you've been a good soldier up to this point there is probably a chance they won't chapter you.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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SPC (Join to see) - Usually, Courts Martial are reserved for serious offenses such as Willful Destruction of Property, Theft over $1000, Attempted Murder, Rape, etc. The punitive articles of the UCMJ (your supervisor or PSG can show you where to find them if you don't already know) will give you a good idea of what may land a person in front of a military judge/jury. As for a 1st offense drug use issue with no previous disciplinary actions, my best guess would be mandatory referral to a Substance Abuse Program (I think the Army refers to it as ASAP). Depending on how much of an example the Commander wants to make, s/he may impose Article 15 action (with or without suspended actions), and re-evaluate after a set period of time to consider retention or discharge. A lot will depend on your past/present/future duty performance and willingness to accept responsibility for the infraction.

OH! Go see the local Area Defense Counsel IMMEDIATELY! They can offer much better advice than we can here on RP.
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Best advice ever thank you so muchMSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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What can I expect after having smoked weed and failing my drug test? General or dishonorable discharge?
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It's up to your command but typically drug use gets you a OTH. Out of curiosity, just how much freaking weed did you smoke? Typically the detection limits are set so that you could smoke a little weed on Saturday and piss clean on Tuesday. You either have to smoke a lot in a short time or a little over a long time or just be really unlucky to get popped for weed on a piss test. I know a guy who smoked weed on a regular basis for his entire career and never failed a drug test.
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I smoked with wax on top of the weed so maybe it enhanced it. I literally smoked as soon as I got on leave and was on leave 14 days how I failed is crazy
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SPC (Join to see) - that must have been some mighty strong weed. research shows that, in general, you can smoke 3-4 times a week and be clean after a week. however, the higher your % body fat the longer it will stay in your system. I mention this because that could influence the opinion of those making the determination on the character of your discharge upon chapter (IOW, they may assume that you were a regular toker instead of a one time mistake). But in any event you're most likely going to get OTH with an RE code that bans you from ever trying to get back in.
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Thanks for your help LTC (Join to see)
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Cpl Vic Burk
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It isn't like they show on television shows where you can just "get" a dishonorable discharge. It has to be awarded by a General Court Martial as part of the sentence. Even then they have to go through so many channels to get it approved. Getting busted with weed isn't going to get you a DD With an otherwise clean record (?) they may only hit you with an Article 15. We don't know your service history.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Does the Army kick out E4's on first offense these days? I would have given you an Article 15, bust you a rank and refer you to ASAP. Whether you had a career after would depend on you performance in ASAP and at work.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Cpl Vic Burk - One rank for those below E-4. It's UCMJ, so the Marines could do the same if they chose. The Navy doesn't do Company Grade punishment either, but there is nothing in the UCMJ that stops them. The Army doesn't put Article 15's on the permanent record for E-4 and under either. It is in your temporary jacket and goes away after 2 years or you PCS. You want to take a stripe from an NCO, which in the Army is E-5 and above, then you have to go Field Grade.
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Cpl Vic Burk
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CPT Lawrence Cable - I always tell my students you learn something new every day. Today was no exception on here. In the Marines those office hours (Article 15) stay with you wherever you go. I am not even sure if they leave when you re-enlist. I know if you put in a re-up package a copy goes to Headquarters Marine Corps. No temporary pages in our books!

I know that because I got a field grade office hours in boot camp and that page was still in my book when I completed my enlistment.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Cpl Vic Burk - I absolutely agree with how the Army treats it below E-5. There are a lot of good soldiers that have done something stupid when they were enlisted, I will include myself in that although I managed to dodge an Article 15. At least this allows them to continue a career after what we all hope is the popping sound of that soldier pulling his/her head out of their ass.
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Cpl Vic Burk
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CPT Lawrence Cable - My office hours got comments when I went before meritorious promotion boards followed by a bit of laughter. I grinning out of embarrassment more than anything else!
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SP5 Peter Keane
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DD or BCD only come with Courts-Martial. They are punitive. OTH is administrative, but requires the following:
a pattern of continued misconduct
an act of serious misconduct
abuse of authority
fraternization.
General is always under Honorable conditions. Those saying General OTH don't know what they are talking about.
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wrong.... general is not honorable or under honorable conditions. it is exactly as the name implies...."general".
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SP5 Peter Keane
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General Discharge (under honorable conditions) better do some research
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SGT Christopher Hayden
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As others have said, it'd likely just be a General OTH. However, depending on your unit and how you have been as a Soldier up to this point, you might just get knocked down in rank and sent to a substance abuse program. However, your career is going to take a major hit regardless.
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Is oth like DDH? Like if they boot me with general oth will I be able to find work on civilian side?
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SGT Christopher Hayden
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SPC (Join to see) - Well, you lose your ability to use the GI Bill, so if you wanted to go to school you'd have to find other ways to pay for it. And as far as getting a job, it really all just depends what job you're trying to get. Most will not even think to ask what type of discharge you got, so it won't affect you much. Really, it would just be something that requires a background check. It's not the end of the world life-wise if you get an OTH discharge, but it does make it a little more challenging.
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I don’t want a government job anyway even if I have an honorable discharge. Maybe I should work in Colorado lol maybe they will be more lenient SGT Christopher Hayden
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SGT Christopher Hayden
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SPC (Join to see) - Possibly! Either way, good luck and use whatever happens in relation to this as a major life lesson moving forward.
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My guess: No court martial so, therefore, no dishonorable discharge or bad conduct discharge. I really don't think that you need to worry about that. Other than that I'm sure that some Army personnel will chime in for what is the usual Army procedure for this violation.
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SGT Chris Padgett
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I got out in 2001.
Then, 1st offense you'd get an Art-15, usually a company grade depending on how contrite you were. Expect a loss of rank, 30/30 and an involuntary contribution to the soldiers home.
In addition, you'll likely have to attend substance abuse classes.
What ever you do, you don't want to leave the Army with anything other than an honorable discharge.
That will affect VA benefits, and you really don't want that.
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