Posted on Mar 11, 2015
Capt Brandon Charters
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This news piece below talks to a study that has begun to connect the genetic dots of PTSD. It starts off with a pretty stunning statement:

“Among 10 people that are deploying to war, we could understand who is more, and who is less vulnerable to PTSD, and can develop preventions accordingly.” - Caroline Nievergelt, PhD, of the University of San Diego, School of Medicine.

I suggest giving this a read and forming your own opinion on how we would potentially handle mobilizing forces in the future knowing there is a possible genetic connection to PTSD.

How would this be handled when entering the military? I could see it eventually being tested for on initial physicals and being a part of everyone's medical records. In command for a day, what would you do with those troops that are more likely to have PTSD?
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SPC David S.
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This was the premise of the movie Gattaca. There is a lot of research pointing to the telomere length. These protective caps on the ends of our chromosomes play an important role in our overall health. Each time a cell divides these guys lose a little bit in length. I bet there is a correlation between telomere length and interferons as a result of the effects on the body due to the shorter telomeres. The good news is there is some promising research in how to lenghten the telomeres. Also more importantly this might lead to not necessary a cure but a form of treatment for PTSD.

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2015/01/telomere-extension-turns-back-aging-clock-in-cultured-cells.html

http://www.ta65doctor.com/blog/2014/07/19/telomere-shortening-war-veterans-ptsd/
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SGT Kevin Gardner
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I don't know, honestly these studies tend to be designed to push a specific medical outcome. In the early 70s all these doctors came out and said that baby's born prematurely would never have their brains develop properly or to the right size, it was not till late in the 90s they discovered that every child born prematurely brain was fully developed by the age of 8 months old, another study stated that people who have a homosexual parent will also be genetically disposed to be homosexual, now having a father who happens to be homosexual I can attest to the fact I don't feel those same urges, also happens that I have a couple of friends who's fathers are also homosexual and having discussed this study with them they concur that again that is another bunk study.
There is another study that stated drug addiction is also genetic, well my moms a pill popping addict again not something I suffer from, in fact I won't even take the crap the VA gives me.
As far as PTSD I grew up in a home so twisted that me my brothers and my sister should have suffered something bad from PTSD, however after my combat tour I found that I do have PTSD, and I found writing helps me with that, yes it's still a struggle to be out in public in crowds and always having intrusive thoughts, but it is manageable.
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This is actually a very scary idea. Genetic profiling, in individual cases, such as to see if a woman has the BRCA 1 or 2 gene, is appropriate.

But this type of genetic profiling would result in preventing people from deploying, essentially ending their careers. As more of our personal information is taken out of the private sphere to the internet, and as Big Insurance continues to get bigger, this kind of thing must be prevented.

Remember George Orwell; Big Brother really is watching...

1LT Sandy Annala
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Interesting way to think about this. I hadn't thought about the genetic profiling & loss of personal information side of things. I originally thought this could be a unique way to help prevent some cases of PTSD. There are so many external effects to knowing this data, that it would be very hard to implement with a currently serving and fighting force.
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Capt Brandon Charters If genetic profiling could accurately predict such things, it would be helpful. The thing is there is no guarantee of success, with a huge down side...
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The test can tell you if the medication you are taking is effective or clearly a NO GO! and detrimental to your PTSD / Depression symptoms. Ran into an active duty patient in the study/ tested. Came back CAN NOT TAKE WELLBUTRIN .. The patient was suicidal. So off that medicine and on to another that would be helpful. I have posted more about this Under the original post.
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Genetic Breakthrough in PTSD Study: How would you handle knowing there is a genetic connection?
1st Lt Adam Benavides
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The main issue is that there needs to be more understanding of PTSD treatment. Identifying potential or actual service members with another "vulnerability" type test does not translate to actual PTSD.

We cannot undermine a potential nor an actual service member just because of a "test" that is not an 100% indicator to getting PTSD.

There are plenty of service members who do not fit certain profiles for high risk and yet they come back with PTSD issues or PTSD related issues.
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Capt Brandon Charters
Capt Brandon Charters
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I agree this test seems to still be far off from a 100% indicator. Interesting to think about the implications to the force once a 99% or higher solution is reached.
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PFC Sandra Wade
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Another good bi product of the Gene Study/Test is that it is helpful in guiding the selection of medications for Depressions. This test may help determine how your genes can affect how your body processes medications. The way your body processes medications can lead to low or high levels of medication in the body. The level of medication is part of what determines how effective a medication can be for you and whether you have side effects.
For example. Patient is tested and finds that the current drug being used is a NO GO! No wonder that patient is suicidal ... Ran into an active duty that did the test and that was the case.
Study/Testing is ongoing. PRIME CARE. Percision Medication in Mental Health Care. Check with your MHC provider see if you might be a good candidate
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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Every generation in my family has served, and that being said childhood PTSD and Intergenerational PTSD impact your genetics.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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Fathers who were in a state of depression functioned in a destructive and neglectful way caused by combat stress reaction. The psychological breakdown of the coping mechanism dealing with internal and external pressures are flooded with anxiety. The symptoms are not uniformed but vary from restlessness, withdrawal, startle reactions, confusion and paranoid reactions. (ASR; International Classification of Diseases 10th rev. [ICD-10]; World Health Organization, 1992) The care giver parent often gathers emotional support from their children. This is done by releasing tension and projecting their anger by unspoken messages signaling instability and danger. The crying and irritability that are witnessed while Mom or primary caregiver is highly emotional. The offset of the silence and unspoken presence of the father's intense effect on family communication often transfers trauma-related messages.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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The impact of intergenerational PTSD is the aftermath of war that each generation is left to grapple with the unresolved memories of childhood trauma, childhood neglect and broken relationships resulting in divorce and the loss of loved ones that come back changed by war. This paper gives insight into the vicious cycle of severe physical injuries that cripple the interaction of the Veteran parents and their families. Interpersonal relationships are affected by the profound disruptive nature of trauma. The United States has a total Active-Duty military force of approximately 1.4 million, with an additional 848,000 total National Guard force and 95,324 total reserve force (Department of Defense (DOD), 2008). There are 1.3 million dependent military children, with as many as 700,000 children younger than five years (Kruzel, 2008). These are the families who live within the reality of frequent separations through peacetime deployments and combat training exercises; these are the families who wait anxiously for loved ones to return from war. http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/Military/ms0.pdf
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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The vicious cycle of generational military families that have served WWII, Viet Nam, create a cycle of the breakdown of interpersonal problems relating to intimacy, anger, dysregulation, and hinders the aspect of communication. Substance abuse parallels with PTSD resulting in hostility, difficulty in reintegration, lack of cohesion, which impacts the mental distress, family functioning and parenting.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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The transference of PTSD trauma exposure creates an environment for emotional abuse, including neglect, which transcends into childhood trauma being the main ingredient for transmission of PTSD from parent to child. (Berstein, D. P., Jelley, H., & Handlesman, L. (1997).
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SGT Joseph Jones
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Capt Heather Davis I am fighting for custody of my children based on something very similar to what you are saying. A judge and DHR in alabama took them based on a what if scenario and when my wife supported me through it they took her rights saying she would come back to me. Even though I've never been violent it was said because I was army and in Iraq I have the ability to get violent.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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SGT Jones I am an Army Chaplain and you can e-mail me at [login to see] .mil and IM me and I will send you my phone number. I will share with you me personal story. My Father was in WWII and he was very violent and created a hell for my family. This has lead me to write a dissertation on the impact of Childhood PTSD and Intergenerational PTSD and how it impacts Military families. I am here for you and I will definitely pray for you and your family. My suggestion would be to go to the VA and have the professionals diagnose you and counterattack their allegations.
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SFC Christopher Perry
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Very interesting new look at things. So there may very well be a new test looming on the horizon that could decide whether or not you raise your right hand and sign on the dotted line.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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BS- develop preventions? Oh I'm genetically possible to get PTSD- so I must live in a cocoon for the rest of my life. Tons of 1st responders get PTSD- it's not the brain, its the trauma effect on the brain.
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