Posted on Jan 28, 2016
Given how important tabs are in the Army, should a prior service Marine now in the Army have a special tab indicating their background?
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I don't think so. I might join the Army as an officer, and besides what I've earned, I don't think it's wise to find stuff or ask for stuff to tack on to a uniform to make you stand out; last time I checked, being a badge chaser is frowned upon. Even indicating past service while in the Corps might not be good in a cultural-wise sense. Standing out might make things difficult between you and whomever you're working with, as how you act may be viewed as completely dependent on what you learned while leading within the Corps. Suffice to say, there is a divide between our services culturally-speaking for some time despite our many commonalities. Perhaps if you had a Combat Action Ribbon and others looked at that while you're in your service uniform, that might mean something (even if you rate a CIB because of your training as an 03xx); otherwise, if people asked you where you've been for the past decade, maybe telling them about your experiences might help break whatever ice is left between you. If you haven't done so already, translate your experiences and views into COAs that can help better the Soldiers around you not in a parading way but in a humble fashion. Otherwise, the best thing to do is to stop being so self-conscious about what you've got and focus on the now. Resting on your laurels is never a good thing to do.
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It does not matter where you go, (even in the civilian world) people identify you with what you have done and where you have been. Your first question upon meeting someone new is usually, "What do you do?". As a Marine who has been both enilsted and commissioned, I have always appreciated the relaxing of shoulders when my SNCO's and NCO's learned of my previous experience. But patches do not make the Marine or the soldier. Rest assured that there are people with plenty of decorations who I would never invite into my home. Show your worth daily and people notice your worth. Humility and competence go a long way in my book. Leave 'em in the dust on the PT field and get the job done. Let the glory hounds slobber over their patches and screw 'em.
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LCpl Douglas Landrith Jr
Well said sir, well said. I can proudly say when asked that " I was not a POG", haha :)
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What are tabs? I am not serious of course. I doesn't hurt my feelings that I did not even have the opportunity to do AB school or the fact I am without any tabs but do I really care? NO, I do not care one bit and when others have tried to shame me to boost their fragile ego because I didn't have any tabs I will show them and I let them know their tabs mean nothing to me. I think earning those tabs is awesome. It takes a lot of heart and dedication but to manifest an ego and confidence because others don't have any tabs is pretty shallow and weak. I always say something like, "I don't have any tabs for my bachelors or my masters degree". The same goes for others who have earn their AB and AA qualification. I look at them and ask, "So you weren't good enough to go to Ranger school or Special Force qualifications?" "Maybe you should have worked on college classes all these years". Don't get me wrong, I think all those Army schools are great but if someone is going to get cocky with me, I am going to try to shatter their ego because I feel like I have been challenged.
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SFC (Join to see)
Good post, but to emphasize, I don't think anyone here is upset about this. It was a simple question and no one writing their congressman to make a change. I think this post was made on a day that something made me think about it. Could care less if there's a tab for anything I do in the service. Only tab I'd like is one that says retired.
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As I tell everyone who was a Marine who are now Army, This is the Army not the Marines and if they were all that, then why you get out? Hum?
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Capt Walter Miller
The one thing we know is that if former Army guys want the Eagle Globe and Anchor, they have to go through Recruit training to get it. Marines don't have to attend US Army basic training.
There was a tremendous hoo-rah when it was found out that General Amos crossed decked from the USN and never went through even the Basic School. But they needed some F4 drivers. But people were like – “HA! No wonder he was such a putz!”
Walt
There was a tremendous hoo-rah when it was found out that General Amos crossed decked from the USN and never went through even the Basic School. But they needed some F4 drivers. But people were like – “HA! No wonder he was such a putz!”
Walt
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First off I say this in good humor not trying to offend, but I've met so many former marines now in the army or national guard that want recognition for being a marine. My question is if being a marine meant that much to you, why are you no longer a marine and now in another branch? If you want a uniform that says marine on it I believe the USMC might issue one or two.
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Which must mean being a Marine didn't mean that much if they were willing to give it up. I'm just saying, if you want your uniform to say Marine, be a Marine, if you want it to say airforce, join airforce, etc.
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Capt Walter Miller
Making Marines: The Change is Forever
Marine Corps Boot Camp-Emblem and Graduation Ceremonies- Highlights from Parris Island, SC. For more videos like this visit www.goodtogovideo.com
"My question is if being a marine meant that much to you, why are you no longer a marine and now in another branch? "
They are Marines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3sD23AEgM
Walt
They are Marines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3sD23AEgM
Walt
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LCpl Douglas Landrith Jr
Just because a Marine now wears a different uniform does not make them any less a Marine 2Lt. Not being a Marine, you would not understand that brotherhood we share. Why would a Marine change to a different service? I would guess because they were looking for promotion opportunities that they could not get in our beloved corps.
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During the train-up for my deployment to Afghanistan, we didn't wear any badges on our ACUs. I was a young looking IRR SSG just assigned to a Utah ARNG unit. What they didn't know, was that I already had 18 years in (3 years active duty), Jump School, had three MOS, a senior aircrew member badge, and had been a SSG longer than some of them had been in the Army. I was treated like I didn't know a damn thing. Boy were they surprised when they found out my background.
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I would have to say it is all part of the culture and have to admit that I do look to see if someone is wearing a patch on the right arm however I don't use it as a means to judge another's abilities, skills, or experience. I know people that don't wear their overseas patches. I alternate the two I have depending which set of ACU's I pull out of the closet that morning.
As for Ranger, Sapper, and any other tab it really doesn't matter to me. The badges do help to lend a level of quantification if a person is conducting a class on infantry based skills to be wearing a CIB as I would want someone teaching me about explosives to be wearing an EOD badge.
As for Ranger, Sapper, and any other tab it really doesn't matter to me. The badges do help to lend a level of quantification if a person is conducting a class on infantry based skills to be wearing a CIB as I would want someone teaching me about explosives to be wearing an EOD badge.
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Oh! Almost forgot. I do know people who attend virtually every school possible to wear a badge that I wouldn't follow down a dark alley. Lots of bling to impress on the DA Photo but not a whole lot of common sense.
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I have worked alongside marines, sailors and airmen and a few that crossed over to the Army as well. All the marines I know wore their marine division deployment patch In ACU's. And retained all their Marine ribbons and medals. However as a Ranger qualified infantryman I feel like all the badges and pins and BS people put on their uniform is just to feel like a special snowflake
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SFC (Join to see)
SGT Ellis, that is incorrect for those Marines to wear their division patch as wrong as that may be. Please correct them.
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SSG (Join to see)
I have also seen them wear 1MeF air ground team patches. Rarely do they get questioned
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MSG David Johnson
There are 2 patches authorized for the Army that look like Marine Corps patches. They are the 1st MEF FWD, and 2nd MEF FWD patches. They are for those who worked for the Marines in Anbar Province. There are a small number of Soldiers who are authorized the 1st MAR DIV patch, less than 100, so the chances that someone wearing that patch are slim.
If you're going to correct someone, or question them about a 1st or 2nd MEF FWD patch make sure you know the difference.
If you're going to correct someone, or question them about a 1st or 2nd MEF FWD patch make sure you know the difference.
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