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1) Yay or nay?
2) How does your opinion affect your:
a) lifestyle choices regarding the environment?
b) political opinion regarding the environment?
2) How does your opinion affect your:
a) lifestyle choices regarding the environment?
b) political opinion regarding the environment?
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If you really look at the data, you will see that climate is warm and cool in cycles. During warm times, populations flourish due to plentiful food production. In cold times, population (used to) go down due to reduced growing seasons and ingenuity flourished to deal with it.
We are fleas on the surface of a self regulating system. The planet will go on just fine as it always has. People, however, will wax and wain in proportion to how climate relates to our comfort levels.
We are fleas on the surface of a self regulating system. The planet will go on just fine as it always has. People, however, will wax and wain in proportion to how climate relates to our comfort levels.
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The planet has been getting warmer since the last Ice Age. It is a natural occurrence and nothing we do will stop it.
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The fact that there isn't cooling should give you an idea of the real problem. We SHOULD be cooling, but we're not.
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As a result, every 8th post I make on Facebook is some kind of anti-warming research paper.
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PO1 Ernie Foster A lot has happened in the last 10,000 years. That includes all sorts of media that has rained down during the period. Also large EMPs from the sun, plate techtonic shifts, underwater and above water volcanoes along with industrialism and mistakes made that hopefully will be fix. Like Nuclear Waste Storage and garbage barges.
So yeah 10,000 years is a long time and during that time and even now forces way beyond our ken to figure out. When the IPCC, Kyoto and others drop this in our lap while China rapes the landscapes. And this legacy has occurred again and again. The problem is that the problem is sold as an attack on Big Oil. I do not care about Big Oil per se but I do know enough about Climatology to merit a cogent response. One that subsumes the natural causes of heat exchange whether is through condensation or evaporation, or volcanic ashes that can alter in part the atmosphere for 20 years like Mt. St. Helen.
Upper processes to includes the layers up to the thermosphere and beyond but we have scientists who use extrapolation as a means to purloin money when our basic need is survival. Alternative energy is fine but so far the transition is not yet forgiving enough to yield the expectations that we desire. Atmospheric Scrubbers and attempts to affect Ice Masses has produced effects that counter whatever good that they do.
So before we put all our environmental eggs in one basket, let us first find said basket.
So yeah 10,000 years is a long time and during that time and even now forces way beyond our ken to figure out. When the IPCC, Kyoto and others drop this in our lap while China rapes the landscapes. And this legacy has occurred again and again. The problem is that the problem is sold as an attack on Big Oil. I do not care about Big Oil per se but I do know enough about Climatology to merit a cogent response. One that subsumes the natural causes of heat exchange whether is through condensation or evaporation, or volcanic ashes that can alter in part the atmosphere for 20 years like Mt. St. Helen.
Upper processes to includes the layers up to the thermosphere and beyond but we have scientists who use extrapolation as a means to purloin money when our basic need is survival. Alternative energy is fine but so far the transition is not yet forgiving enough to yield the expectations that we desire. Atmospheric Scrubbers and attempts to affect Ice Masses has produced effects that counter whatever good that they do.
So before we put all our environmental eggs in one basket, let us first find said basket.
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PO1 Ernie Foster You have humbled me and yet not once have talked down to me and the irony of that. I am basically saying we are analyzing a patient of sorts, with no CAT scan, xrays or bloodwork. We are discarding information because of a political zeal that seems rather illogical. Pride and arrogance and the need for a win but man we have some huge problems right now and where do we get that money? Punish truck drivers, that would be suicide to our economy. So many things going on that a few individuals are jumping onto a train with only a set of oars.. lol. poetic license, ha
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PO1 Ernie Foster I think they are smug in those countries willfully polluting and at the same time oppressing workers. There is so much fail in that if I can use that term, that it ought to be a shame. Kids around the world need help as well as too many adults, veterans and the elderly and we want to spend trillions on a political lark? I remember watching the day after tomorrow and they had a guy they were insulting that looked like Dick Cheney. That bunch has a closed mind and an eye on everyone else's wallets.
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Questions for the believers:
1) do you know how computer models work
2) do you know how to test a computer model
3) do you know what parametric data is
4) do you know how MUCH of the global warming data is parametric?
5) why is the hockey stick discredited?
1) do you know how computer models work
2) do you know how to test a computer model
3) do you know what parametric data is
4) do you know how MUCH of the global warming data is parametric?
5) why is the hockey stick discredited?
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1 - That depends on what you mean. Evidence shows that over the courses of its history, the Earth has been much warmer than it is now. If you're talking specifically about anthropogenic, ie manmade, global warming, the answer is no. There has been no global warming, as defined by an increase in mean global temperature, for almost 20 years, which is longer than the warming trend that prompted all this hysteria in the first place. Which is probably why they've now changed it to 'climate change' which is convenient for them inasmuch as they can now blame anything out of the norm on people. Problem with that is that a theory that isn't disprovable is also scientifically invalid.
2a - Not much. I don't litter etc. because its rude. That's about it.
2b - Frankly, my view is that global warming long ago was perverted from a legitimate theory bound in science to a quasi-religion and tool of the political elite to try and push global governance and wealth redistribution. Further, most of the proposals that they say will help will be counterproductive.
2a - Not much. I don't litter etc. because its rude. That's about it.
2b - Frankly, my view is that global warming long ago was perverted from a legitimate theory bound in science to a quasi-religion and tool of the political elite to try and push global governance and wealth redistribution. Further, most of the proposals that they say will help will be counterproductive.
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Cold and warm weather outbreaks are not necessarily indicative of global warming or cooling. They are weather events that eventually coalesce into climatic data.
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The ice is not melting itself in the North and South pole by themselves. I took a course in Oceanography and Climate. And I can tell you the data does indeed support the global warming theory. Area of the global that are usually warm or cold for century suddenly becomes the opposite norm. The weather pattern changes resulting in increase water level and the low salinity of the ocean which affects the marine ecology.
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Having seen and studied the facts I can say that I believe there is global climate change and that there is good reason to believe that we are responsible for its accelleration.
That said - I drive a truck with a v-8, have a boat that gets used for recreational purposes, an RV that gets 6.5 mpg, love big bonfires - occasionally with a little extra something that I don't want to pay to get rid of in it...
I guess that I am about as conservative a liberal as you can get...
That said - I drive a truck with a v-8, have a boat that gets used for recreational purposes, an RV that gets 6.5 mpg, love big bonfires - occasionally with a little extra something that I don't want to pay to get rid of in it...
I guess that I am about as conservative a liberal as you can get...
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Your question is a little ambiguous. Are you asking is man is causing global warming or if the climate on planet earth might be changing.
The climate on earth is changing, it always has been. We've had ice ages, warming periods etc. The arrogance of modern day psuedo scientists is astounding. They believe they can prove, with our limited record of temperature measurements and slippery evidence of man's impact on the planet, that man has caused this is insulting.
Should we all be good stewards of the earth? Yes. We should not waste resources. pollute the earth unneccesarily. We should recyle where we can, use water more wisely etc.
What I cannot stomach is muti millionaires flying around on private jets telling we the world is coming to an end.
Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. That will tell you the truth.
The climate on earth is changing, it always has been. We've had ice ages, warming periods etc. The arrogance of modern day psuedo scientists is astounding. They believe they can prove, with our limited record of temperature measurements and slippery evidence of man's impact on the planet, that man has caused this is insulting.
Should we all be good stewards of the earth? Yes. We should not waste resources. pollute the earth unneccesarily. We should recyle where we can, use water more wisely etc.
What I cannot stomach is muti millionaires flying around on private jets telling we the world is coming to an end.
Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. That will tell you the truth.
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