Posted on Oct 30, 2015
GOP Faces Uphill Climb With Latino Voters In Key Swing State Of Colorado. Is Trump Doomed?
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The Donald, and his anti-immigrant posturing, loom large.
AntiAssociate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
Posted: 10/29/2015 07:53 PM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
JOE AMON VIA GETTY IMAGES
BOULDER, Colo. -- Minutes before presidential candidates took the stage at Wednesday's Republican primary debate, an evangelical pastor stepped to a microphone and told of being brought into the U.S. illegally by her mother, and how she didn’t deserve to be vilified by politicians who neither understand nor care for her struggle for a better life.
“My mom and I were taken to a deportation facility,"said the Rev. Vanessa Guzman, also a real estate agent from Lakewood, a nearby Denver suburb. "For a week I stayed there, with enough clothes that could fill a trash bag. And we were sent back to Mexico. But my mom es una luchadora. And she went back to the United States and she knew that this is the place she called home.”
Guzman, now pursuing a masters of divinity degree at Denver Seminary, explained that she had a higher calling.
“This is where God lands," Guzman told The Huffington Post following her speech. "God is with the people that are being oppressed. Right now, these are the people. I’m sure you’ve heard the comments. This is the civil movement of our time. That’s why I’m here.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-latino-voters-colorado-trump_56329816e4b063179911d0a7?ir=Politics%253Fncid%253Dnewsltushpmg00000003
AntiAssociate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
Posted: 10/29/2015 07:53 PM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
JOE AMON VIA GETTY IMAGES
BOULDER, Colo. -- Minutes before presidential candidates took the stage at Wednesday's Republican primary debate, an evangelical pastor stepped to a microphone and told of being brought into the U.S. illegally by her mother, and how she didn’t deserve to be vilified by politicians who neither understand nor care for her struggle for a better life.
“My mom and I were taken to a deportation facility,"said the Rev. Vanessa Guzman, also a real estate agent from Lakewood, a nearby Denver suburb. "For a week I stayed there, with enough clothes that could fill a trash bag. And we were sent back to Mexico. But my mom es una luchadora. And she went back to the United States and she knew that this is the place she called home.”
Guzman, now pursuing a masters of divinity degree at Denver Seminary, explained that she had a higher calling.
“This is where God lands," Guzman told The Huffington Post following her speech. "God is with the people that are being oppressed. Right now, these are the people. I’m sure you’ve heard the comments. This is the civil movement of our time. That’s why I’m here.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-latino-voters-colorado-trump_56329816e4b063179911d0a7?ir=Politics%253Fncid%253Dnewsltushpmg00000003
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I don't think that saying Mexico only brings crime and rapists to the US will resonate well with the whole of Latino voters
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I love the comments that profess that many in the Latino community are conservative. I'm sure that they are. However, exit polling show that Latinos, like blacks, Jews, and other minorities, vote predominantly Democratic. It is doubtful that Trump's verbal effluent will alter this record one way or the other. The question is will his stand incite conservatives to get off their duffs and vote. The minorities cannot alone determine the outcome of elections. The problem that the GOP faces is that their base votes on a single issue. They hear their candidates say just one thing that they disagree with and they won't turn out to support them. Democrats, on the other hand, likewise vote on single issues. They hear their candidates say just one thing they agree with and they'll turn out to support them even if their candidates also say many other things that are contradictory or simply offensive to the Democratic base.
That being said, I don't think the GOP has an uphill battle in appealing to Latinos or any other minority group. I believe they face a stone wall with no hope...
That being said, I don't think the GOP has an uphill battle in appealing to Latinos or any other minority group. I believe they face a stone wall with no hope...
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CPT Jack Durish
LTC (Join to see) - Do you actually believe Latinos would vote GOP if they backed off their proposals to secure the border and clear out the illegal aliens (including grandma)?
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CPT Jack Durish - They voted for Reagan and Bush 41, back when family unity was in the platform where family separation resides today.
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CPT Jack Durish
LTC (Join to see) - Anyone who equated "family unity" with support for illegal entry in the country is seriously confused. The issue of illegal aliens was barely a blip on the political radar in the time of Reagan and Bush 41. Of course, Reagan signing the amnesty helped inspire the onrush that raised it to the stratosphere.
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LTC (Join to see)
CPT Jack Durish - Reagan's amnesty was an actual amnesty, and was much bigger than your opinion suggests and far bigger than Obama's executive orders or last year's Gang of Eight senate bill.
Reagan and Bush 41 then each added executive orders to include millions of family members of those covered under amnesty.
They correctly recognized that crossing the border was (and is) the immigration equivalent of a parking ticket, that should be punished by a fine instead of a decade of exile and family separation.
Smuggling drugs or people, illegal reentry after deportation and use of fraudulent documents are more serious, and people with such violations were not included in amnesty.
What is being discussed today by the Democrats and moderate (sane) Republicans is not amnesty. It is a fine for the illegal crossing, and the ability to apply for a green card in the United States without the ten year exile ONLY for people with a visa immediately available and not subject to any other bar to admission. No criminals and nobody who doesn't have a US Citizen or Permanent Resident spouse or a US citizen adult would be included.
By the way, the Immigration and Nationality Act has always included in its mission statement the words "to promote family unity". The current far-right deport everybody mentality was never the GOP platform until the Tea Party types were escaped from the crazy tent. Reagan would be run out of today's GOP as too moderate.
Reagan and Bush 41 then each added executive orders to include millions of family members of those covered under amnesty.
They correctly recognized that crossing the border was (and is) the immigration equivalent of a parking ticket, that should be punished by a fine instead of a decade of exile and family separation.
Smuggling drugs or people, illegal reentry after deportation and use of fraudulent documents are more serious, and people with such violations were not included in amnesty.
What is being discussed today by the Democrats and moderate (sane) Republicans is not amnesty. It is a fine for the illegal crossing, and the ability to apply for a green card in the United States without the ten year exile ONLY for people with a visa immediately available and not subject to any other bar to admission. No criminals and nobody who doesn't have a US Citizen or Permanent Resident spouse or a US citizen adult would be included.
By the way, the Immigration and Nationality Act has always included in its mission statement the words "to promote family unity". The current far-right deport everybody mentality was never the GOP platform until the Tea Party types were escaped from the crazy tent. Reagan would be run out of today's GOP as too moderate.
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The far left-wing is the politics of personal destruction.
For example during one of the races for Governer of
Arkansas, allowed misinfomation about John Paul Hammerschmidt
to not go challlenged and found out to be a lie. w/o which, He would'
never been president.
For example during one of the races for Governer of
Arkansas, allowed misinfomation about John Paul Hammerschmidt
to not go challlenged and found out to be a lie. w/o which, He would'
never been president.
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Doesn't he have enough money to buy their vote? Not!!!! What's he thinking?
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BG David Fleming III, That's his problem. He thinks his money will solve all of our problems. His God is his money.
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A lot of the Hispanic community is conservative, but the GOP has been absolutely inept in handling minorities. By and large, a lot of the GOP "noise" is racially charged, if well-intentioned, which leads to a divide. It is still the party of old, white men. A lot of the ones I talk to aren't huge fans of illegal immigration either, but have a much more nuanced approach and are even less fans of laws like AZ SB1070 that would have essentially made it perfectly legal for a police officer to harass the hell out of them because they look too Mexican.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Maj Richard "Ernie" Rowlette - I don't disagree but the voter base being appealed to is still very white and the angry rhetoric is still largely coming from the white candidates. Having a diverse group of candidates is helpful, but when the message and actions from the party is negatively aimed at hispanics, it's a bit of a turn off.
Or to put it another way. I live in Phoenix and went to a parade we have every year. Sheriff Arpaio was in the parade and the crowd's reaction was palpable when he became visible. The crowd, largely Hispanic, went from cheers to dead silence when his car approached and the few scattered cheers were from old white folks. Joe is vocally Republican and around here, a lot of people see the Republican party with that in mind. SB1070 and the racial profiling are very much an influencer in how people vote.
Lucky for much of the Southwest, latino voter turn out is dismal.
Or to put it another way. I live in Phoenix and went to a parade we have every year. Sheriff Arpaio was in the parade and the crowd's reaction was palpable when he became visible. The crowd, largely Hispanic, went from cheers to dead silence when his car approached and the few scattered cheers were from old white folks. Joe is vocally Republican and around here, a lot of people see the Republican party with that in mind. SB1070 and the racial profiling are very much an influencer in how people vote.
Lucky for much of the Southwest, latino voter turn out is dismal.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Maj Richard "Ernie" Rowlette - Same here...we moved here because of my wife's family, who have now all moved away. Of course we're stuck now for at least another few years. Jerks.
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You can't please everyone... unfortunately with states like California allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote, I am sure that anyone who wants to fix the broken border and immigration system is in for an uphill battle.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
A better way of phrasing that is "new California law, which isn't that unlike how a lot of other states handle it, might enable some people to vote illegally." No one is giving illegal immigrants the actual right to vote.
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Well, not directly, but California is passing laws to allow illegal immigrants to obtain state driver's licenses while practically simultaneously changing voter laws to allow anyone with a valid drivers license to vote with no proof of citizenship required. In other words, giving illegal immigrants the legal ability to vote.
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I like what Trump has brought to the forefront, but not the way he does it. I think he was done in the beginning. The real losers from that debate was the moderators. They were horrible and sucked quite bad.
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1stSgt (Join to see), I've never seen anything like that. They were purposely trying to get the candidates to rag on each other. Crazy!
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SGT (Join to see) , the face of the liberal left. The only thing that was missing was Rachel Maddow.
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Trump may be doomed SGT (Join to see). However my Cuban wife, her mother and many other latinos and latinas vote conservative which in this state [Virginia]means they generally support republican candidates.
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If I were Hispanic, I wouldn't vote for him because of what he said about them, before he crawfished and said he didn't mean it that way. One thing he said in his obstinate way was "I guess they're a few good ones." That even made me mad. My wife and I, at first, really hoped for the best with Trump, but he's almost a carbon copy of Hillary. Just more wealthy.
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