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An Army soldier attending Artsfest on Memorial Day thought something was fishy with the Marine uniform worn by 75-year-old Robert Ford, who was strolling along Front Street.

Ford's hat bore some wrinkles, according to the soldier's assessment, and his belt buckle looked too ornate for his rank.

The soldier enlisted the help of a Harrisburg police officer working at the event, who was a Marine, and together, they accused Ford of being a fraud.

"He's not a real Marine!" the officer shouted to the crowd gathered for the PennLive/Patriot-News Artsfest of Greater Harrisburg. "Stolen valor!"

"I was humiliated," said Ford, of Marysville.

The only problem is Ford did serve in the Marines from 1958 to 1964. He earned the rank of lance corporal.

"He's as legit as you can get," said Doug Sterner, a Vietnam veteran and archivist from Pueblo, Colo., who is nationally recognized for detecting military fraud. Sterner confirmed Ford's military service this week through Headquarters Marine Corps.

The incident in Harrisburg, Sterner said, represents a troubling trend across the country of veterans becoming vigilantes.

Veterans are angry, Sterner said, after a federal law about "stolen valor," was struck down in 2012 and a meeker version passed in its place. Under the new law, few cases are being investigated or prosecuted against people who falsely claim military awards or service, Sterner said.

"The veteran community, frustrated and upset, is saying, 'OK. We'll do it ourselves,' " Sterner said. "But what it's leading to is a bunch of hot heads. ... There's a lot of bullying going on in the community now. It's almost like hunting game, going out looking for phonies."

In many cases, veterans or others who spot inconsistences are rewarded for their efforts. In Pennsylvania alone, people outed Jim Moats, of Newville, for his fake Navy Seal story; Brian Khan, of Harrisburg, for pretending to be a Marine; and Mark Kauffman, a veteran who's disabled status became an issue in March.

B.G. "Jug" Burkett, a Dallas-area Vietnam veteran who wrote a book entitled, "Stolen Valor," understands why people get upset at fakes who try to gain respect by claiming they served "shoulder to shoulder with those who gave their lives for America."

Burkett has helped in numerous prosecutions of fake military war heroes. But he said what happened in Harrisburg was a shame.

"I think that cop was out of line, approaching him like that with no evidence," Burkett said. "This is an older guy and maybe they didn't dress the same way 50 years ago."

Sterner agreed.

"I'd rather see a dozen phonies get kudos they don't deserve than besmirch the reputation of one innocent veteran," he said. "Even if I see something totally outlandish, I'm not going to jump. ... You don't just go up and confront people."

Ford asked to file a complaint with the Harrisburg Police Department over the way the officer, Detective John O'Connor, treated him. Capt. Deric Moody promised an investigation.

But as of Wednesday night, no one had contacted Ford or apologized to him. Moody told PennLive he still was trying to confirm Ford's military status.

Anthony Flaynik, the commandant of the local detachment of the Marine Corps League, said his group was doing their own investigation into the police department's actions.

"He gives up his time volunteering for honor guard for veteran funerals every three weeks," Flaynik said of Ford. "He comes out in the rain, shine, hot, cold. We need to do what we can to help him."

The incident

Ford has a tradition on Memorial Day. He dons his dress blue uniform, visits the cemetery, plays "Taps" on his bugle in a wreath-laying ceremony along the Susquehanna River, then attends Artsfest, where he looks for presents for his granddaughter.

But this year, as he was perusing the artware, a uniformed officer approached along with a man in civilian clothes.

The officer asked for Ford's unit and his military occupation specialty.

Ford answered and noted he specialized in machine guns, rockets and flame-throwers.

"I have to investigate for 'stolen valor,' " the officer said, which Ford said he found insulting.

Still, Ford let it pass and recommended the officer attend the wreath-laying ceremony next year. The officer simply walked away.

Ford returned to shopping, but 10 minutes later was again confronted by the officer in front of The Patriot-News booth.

"Where did you go to boot camp?" the officer said.

Ford said he couldn't figure out why the officer was questioning his service. Ford hadn't claimed any war heroics and his uniform bore no combat medals.

"What am I trying to do?" Ford said. "Impersonate a lance corporal who never served in combat?"

Things quickly escalated.

"What is your problem?" Ford asked.

The officer reiterated his demand.

Fed up, Ford told the officer to leave him alone in terms that contained an expletive.

That's when the officer started shouting, Ford said.

"You don't know where you went to boot camp," the officer said, according to Ford. "You aren't a Marine."

Ford said the soldier joined in, shouting: "Stolen Valor! This man is a fake!"

Embarrassed, Ford slinked away, but the men followed. When Ford stopped and turned to face them, Ford said the officer waved his hand over his holstered weapon as if he were ready to draw it on Ford.

"I was getting very nervous," Ford said. "I was afraid to reach for my wallet."

A woman working at The Patriot-News booth, who did not want her name published, confirmed Ford's account that the officer followed Ford and yelled that Ford wasn't a Marine.

The woman said the ordeal lasted about 10 to 15 minutes. She described the officer as being antagonistic and said she believed the officer was trying to get Ford to make a move.

Eventually, Ford did retrieve his wallet to show the officer his U.S. Veterans Affairs card. The officer motioned for the soldier to examine it, Ford said.

The soldier concluded that Ford's VA card was a "fake and that anybody can print those out," Ford said.

That's when Ford asked for the officer's supervisor. Ford walked a block or so to meet Capt. Moody, with the officer and soldier trailing.

Moody talked to Ford and inspected his identification cards by holding them up in the air and tilting them, drawing more attention and embarrassing Ford.

The kerfuffle attracted a television news crew.

"People were gawking at the scene," Ford said. "People must have been thinking this was really bad."

Eventually, Moody, also a Marine, reportedly told Ford "it would be best if he just left, to avoid the camera and all the people that were now watching."

Ford refused. He merged back in with the crowd, but noticed the officer lurking nearby, arms folded with his eyes fixed on Ford. Ford said he was disappointed Moody had not instructed the officer to move on.

Ford had hoped Moody would set things right. Instead, Ford said he felt even worse after the encounter.

"I felt their attitude was like, 'So what.' " Ford said. "I've spent almost my whole life working on veterans' issues."

Ford said he has launched programs to help veterans, is active in his local Marine Corp League and occasionally contributes letters about veterans' issues to the Opinion section of The Patriot-News.

Moody said the officer didn't curse nor put his hands on Ford so the incident didn't rise to the level of an internal affairs investigation. Instead, Moody said he was conducting an informal review of the incident.

"There were inconsistencies in his uniform," Moody said of Ford. "If an apology is due, then an apology is due."

Get evidence first

Experts who advocate for veterans and root out military fraud say public humiliation is not the way to go when one suspects something askew about a military uniform.

Older soldiers can forget the proper order of ribbons, but "that doesn't mean they're a phony," said Sterner, who runs a website called Home for Heroes. "Even real heroes make mistakes."

Sterner has accumulated a database of top military war medals as one method to guard against fraudulent claims.

Even with Sterner's background, he said he has only confronted one person in 15 years over "stolen valor" and that's because he knew the names of all the medal recipients for a particular award being claimed.

Sterner recommended that people concerned with military fraud should simply take down a person's information and "get their ducks in a row."

"I'm not going to confront or accost someone," Sterner said. "I'm going to get my evidence first."

Burkett, who lectures FBI agents and government-fraud investigators, advises on his website how people can check their suspicions by requesting the actual military records.

"I'm just surprised at this cop," Burkett said. "Most of the time, a real vet would not do that. ... People should ask questions first, then go check things out later."

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SGM Matthew Quick
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Apologize, say "Thank you for your service" and move on.
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1LT William Clardy
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I don't mind anything about your personal opinion on this, GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Yes, in THIS case, GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad...in this case; I was speaking overall.
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LTC Bink Romanick
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I'm kind of sick of the stolen valor posse. Every ex-PFC Mess Kit Repairman thinks that he's a walking authority on awards and decorations. There have always been fakers and posers and always will be.

Stolen Valor has no effect on me. It doesn't detract from my awards.....it detracts from the poser who has never done anything to earn them and is phony enough to wear them.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Thanks LTC Bink Romanick --- good to know that I am not alone in this regard!
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I wouldn't have made a scene which could escalate a volatile situation. There was another way of taking care of business. Also, he is 75 years old. He is going to forget how to do a few things.
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Maj Security Forces
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Yes, those of us who are older (I'm 68 this month) forget things - really??
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PO2 Sharon Lopez
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Maj (Join to see) - There are various reasons why a person might forget information. TBIs can cause memory loss at any age; "forgetting" could be a side effect of medication; and dementia, TBI-related or otherwise, has a memory loss component. If you have no memory issues, that's terrific. Many are not so lucky.
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PO2 Sharon Lopez - Agreed. And I was being sarcastic.
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If a person is a suspected phony, the best approach is to feint interest with a few harmless questions that would likely trip up a fake. If after a few moments you're still not positive then it's probably best to just move on. If evidence mounts that they're full of crap then ramp up the questions and pounce.
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I would suggest reading the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 and paying attention to the wording of it. If you suspect someone of being a Stolen Valor do a Freedon Of Information Act request on them OR... REport them to Stolen Valor or Guardians of Valor. Bull Dog has his people look into all of the people reported to them. Let the professionals deal with this stuff.

I would sue the Police Department and name the Officer as a Defendant and Sue the "Soldier" and the News Paper for Defimation of Character and anything else my lawyer friends could think of.

Lastly, I would wear nothing but my dress blues all of the time. Mowing my grass? Ties and Taps! Grocery Shopping? Formal Dress! Movies? Mess Dress! I would go buck wild after this!!!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Absolutely!
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SGT Doc Abel
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As a veteran from the Harrisburg area I can tell you this is unacceptable. What's even worse is the unnamed soldier in this case is a local who claims to be a part of "Stolen Valor". This "soldier" is known for always threatening people with Stolen Valor which is funny since he claims to be a former 18F, Special Forces member, but has no proof of his MOS and no one at Bragg can confirm he was ever a Green Beret. This guy is a menace and is guilty of stolen valor himself.
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CSM Michael Lynch
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SGT Doc Abel Why don't they get the Stolen Valor folks on him then? He wasn't to be famous lets help him out a little bit. They can tie it into this story Stolen Valor Army Vet wrongfully accuses a Real Marine of Stolen Valor. BAM
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SGT Doc Abel
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CSM Lynch I don't have a good answer for you on that one. I would like to see this guy get blasted for being a fraud himself but unfortunately that's not how it works sometimes. On the one hand he blasts people for being frauds but then hides himself from being blasted by hiding. Most of the vets in this area have taken the "village idiot" approach to him. The most that has been done to my knowledge is he has lost businesses for falsely promoting himself as an SF member.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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Ah yes .. the other side of the coin!
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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This is why I very very very seldom will confront someone on this issue because I would rather be 200 % sure than wrongly accuse someone
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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This is horrible. If he is a fake or real, he is treated like crap. It was a no win situation.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SSG (ret) William Martin
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Right Sir, He is 75, not 21 years old wearing Major rank in the parking lot of Home Depot.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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I feel sorry for this vet. This whole situation was obviously handled very poorly.
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SFC Joey Jimenez
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Two little Rambo's trying to get famous on video.
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PO2 Sharon Lopez
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That's a definite possibility with people videoing from their phones and instantly posting online these days
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