Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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Closest I came was when I was an E4 and then the five called on my personal cell phone and started yelling at me that I had 30 minutes to get into the office or else I would face you C closest I came was when I was in the E4 and then the five called on my personal cell phone and started yelling at me that I had 30 minutes to get into the office or else I would face you UCMJ. I informed him that I was three days into a 10 day leave and was currently in Detroit Michigan, pretty hard to get to Fort Carson Colorado in 30 minutes. He said he didn’t care and now it was 29 minutes. I informed him that he could count down every minute but there was no way possible it was going to happen, even if I could get to the airport it would take me longer than 29 minutes. He hung up but called me back 29 more times to tell me how many minutes I had before UCMJ would be started. I called our company commander and informed him what was going on and he told me not to worry about it and to enjoy the rest of my leave. Never did find out exactly what this guys problem was but when I got back there was no mention of it ever going beyond him calling me and being an asshole.
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Not a screaming match or altercation but a exchange on words with two adults to get the best results. Oh it got loud but respectful.
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SFC Robert Walton
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I had a very loud shouting match with the new E9 at Hurlburt Field in FL. It cabout returning a part to bench stock, that was to be installed in a generator, that was finish with its inspection. The technician who did the inspection, didn't check his forms for parts. The E9 said I couldn't return the part. I said that it had to be returned, because the generator was gone. The arguement turned into a very loud discussion of regs and policies. The whole section stood around waiting to see who'd throw the first punch or start cussing. An E6 corrected the E9 about the Wing's policies on the return of parts to bench stock . Well the E9 walked off and I awaited for either the Wing Commander's car to pull up and chew my ass, or the security police to haul me off for disrepecting the E9. Neither happened. A year later the E9 was upset that I had missed promotion by three points. It seems I didn't have any awards that were enough to be promoted. He made sure I got an award worthy of being promoted,.from E4 to E5 .
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After basic training, none of my leadership was ever stupid enough to yell at me. So no screaming matches, although it has been pointed out to me that I do have a tendency to raise my voice when I'm feeling strong emotions, whether it was excitement, anger, frustration or upset. Only one Soldier pulled the "watch how you talk to me" rank card, as soon as she walked out of the cubicle, another NCO came to talk to me to calm me down, and I went off some more about what the whole issue was, he calmed me down, warned me that while my upset was justified, I needed to be more professional (yea, ok, true, but in those moments, I DON'T CARE, I'm tired of being a "whipping boy" just because I'm not an NCO) because he doesn't want someone will no compassion to make trouble for me. But that type of bull was one of the many reasons that I requested a discharge for family hardship when things started falling apart, instead of fighting to overcome the obstacles I had in the unit and my life.
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Not a screaming match but an altercation.
1989, FRKS there was a CSM who was pretty raunchy. He made remarks to female soldiers that were inappropriate and if a troop was called into his office (literally a closet with just enough room for a desk and an extra chair, with no ventilation) upon exiting it was clear that something had taken place.
He would arbitrarily make mal-assignments of troops that would cost bonuses if they remained in incorrect slots.
I was a senior E-5 PSNCO filling an E-7 slot. One day, he called me into his office. Knowing he had just reviewed manning documents that had been corrected and no reflecting the 'assignments' that he had 'directed,' and anticipating what would happen 'behind closed doors,' I did not follow his request.
He came out into the office and yelled that he wanted to see me in his office. I responded that anything he had to say to me could be said "in front of my troops." With that, I removed the pin-on rank from my collars and approached him in the center of the area, essentially toe-to-toe, extended my hand with the rank in it and advised him that whatever he had to say, "You will likely want these after hearing my response." I went on to advise that since he was a 96R and I was the 75H, I would leave the intelligence arena to him and he should remain out of the 75H administration.
Two important points - First, that battalion was at the top of the division list for inaccurate and improper personnel assignments to include tardy sitreps and payroll actions. Within 90 days of arrival, I had cleared all of those deficiencies. Additionally, but not necessarily related, although I was considerably junior in rank, the SGM and I were chronological peers. He was not dealing with a 20 year old E-5. Second, I had been assigned to that position because of my years of experience in my career field in the WAC, the USAR and the ARNG. Lots of experience and training. The SGM was a 96R
1989, FRKS there was a CSM who was pretty raunchy. He made remarks to female soldiers that were inappropriate and if a troop was called into his office (literally a closet with just enough room for a desk and an extra chair, with no ventilation) upon exiting it was clear that something had taken place.
He would arbitrarily make mal-assignments of troops that would cost bonuses if they remained in incorrect slots.
I was a senior E-5 PSNCO filling an E-7 slot. One day, he called me into his office. Knowing he had just reviewed manning documents that had been corrected and no reflecting the 'assignments' that he had 'directed,' and anticipating what would happen 'behind closed doors,' I did not follow his request.
He came out into the office and yelled that he wanted to see me in his office. I responded that anything he had to say to me could be said "in front of my troops." With that, I removed the pin-on rank from my collars and approached him in the center of the area, essentially toe-to-toe, extended my hand with the rank in it and advised him that whatever he had to say, "You will likely want these after hearing my response." I went on to advise that since he was a 96R and I was the 75H, I would leave the intelligence arena to him and he should remain out of the 75H administration.
Two important points - First, that battalion was at the top of the division list for inaccurate and improper personnel assignments to include tardy sitreps and payroll actions. Within 90 days of arrival, I had cleared all of those deficiencies. Additionally, but not necessarily related, although I was considerably junior in rank, the SGM and I were chronological peers. He was not dealing with a 20 year old E-5. Second, I had been assigned to that position because of my years of experience in my career field in the WAC, the USAR and the ARNG. Lots of experience and training. The SGM was a 96R
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I was a marine so yelling and "hands on" attitude changes were the norm even if not PC, wouldn't have it any other way. While in Iraq in 03' we fell under a joint service army MP battalion, our XO's vehicle was cleaned out by one of our few female HQ folks. Without knowing this info our XO went into jarhead rage thinking someone had tore his personal shit apart and i happened to be the E3 in the room that was in the area at the time. After alot of yelling and some buddyfucker comments i politely told him "i didnt fucking touch your shit sir"! I think the army guys around werent sure what to think about the exchange. The XO was in the wrong at the time but later made ammends in his own way. Id love to hold a grudge but hes the guy that keeps a FB page together for our unit to keep us in touch and the first one to volunteer help when we have a gofundme type of situation. Point is that i could have hauled off and slugged him to feel better for a minute but im glad i didnt b/c heated exchanges happen in the military. He coulda been a prick and pushed a wrong accusation into a ucmj violation b/c of his rank if that was his way, instead there was some yelling and swear words and that was the end of the misunderstanding followed by as much of an apology as an E3 would get by his XO.
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Screaming? No, I don’t believe I ever took it that far. But I can state truthfully, that I had more than one occasion where I said far more than I should have in a tone that was not appreciated nor appropriate and earned some extra duty/confinement to company area for a few days.
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Disagreements… Sure. Altercations… No.
US Army medical Corps is somewhat unique though . A general practitioner like myself might outrank a specialist. The specialist still has the final say even though I outrank them.
US Army medical Corps is somewhat unique though . A general practitioner like myself might outrank a specialist. The specialist still has the final say even though I outrank them.
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I was stationed in Bamburg, Germany in the 82nd Engineers. I had a platoon Sergent that was never satisfied with anything I did. We would get into some of the worst cussing and name calling yelling match ever heard in that tool room. It got so bad that I filed a 1049 to Vietnam just to get away from him. To this day I have no idea if he was doing it just to see what I would do. Maybe he got a kick out of having a go around with me knowing that I could take what ever he said and keep on trucking.
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I was taught in PLC ,1981, that if you ever lose your temper and started yelling then you have lost the Argument, if you hide behind your rank then your weak. I have had my soldiers tell me that I can scream without ever raising my voice. Learn to use your tone and never allow yourself to get boxed in a conversation.
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