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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Difficult For Me To Say, As I Look Back Over They Years,
I Don't Recall There Being Anyone Superior To Me.
"Either Lead ~ Follow ~ Or Get The Hell OUT Of My Way"
"I AM Your Leader AND Your Superior".
"Don't Let My Rank Fool You"
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SFC Senior Small Group Leader
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Yes, just before leaving Afghanistan, I had it out with the Bn OPS SGM. I remember thinking in the moment how I couldn't believe I was talking to an SGM like that, but he truly earned and deserved it. It was just me and him, no witnesses. He never did press the issue.
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CW2 Donald Loughrey
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I've had poor leaders that thought screaming was part of leadership (outside of training environments meant to induce stress during performance.....when its acceptable and expected). As for getting in a screaming match with a superior....it was not done in my experience....at least it wasn't done twice. Good order and discipline call for that to be shut down immediately. Maybe things have changed...I've been retired for awhile but I certainly hope this is not the norm for today's Military.
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CPT Earl George
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I was a 1LT and the assistant Bde S-1 in 1974 in Germany. One of my primary jobs was to put a suspense on the individual Bn CO's when the BDE CO wanted an answer on the disposition of any particular case in the blotter he had a question. One particular Bn Commander was late as usual with his replies and I was sent to his office to get his response verbally. I reported to him and asked for his reply. I was told to get the F_ _ _ out of his office. I saluted, left immediately and reported back to my boss. At 7am the next morning, and every morning after that for one week, I had a LTC standing in front of my desk asking me if his unit had any responses outstanding. Needless to say, there was one LTC that got set straight by the Colonel.
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MSG Sean Francis
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I had one when I was at joint with a Air Force MSgt. He thought we were equals. Nah bro I'm the MSG/NCOIC not you. You're equivalent to a SFC in the Army no disrespect. He yelled but I didn't. I left the room after the other Air Force MSgt asked to speak with him alone. He was new & thought he could come in, do whatever he wanted & I couldn't say anything to him. Let's just say he came & apologized afterwards because she knew who he was dealing with arguing with me but he didn't. Best advice don't raise or elevate your voice. Stay calm & collected. If anyone's hears, or witnesses, it'll be the other person who was yelling not you.
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PFC David Scott
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I told a freshly hard striped E-5 that he was being a buddy-f$#%er over something petty. A guy, up until the next day was a friend. I received an article 15. After my restriction was supposed to be up I went to the CQ to double check that I could leave the barracks. I was told that I could. I went to the PX and ran into my XO and was told that I wasn't suppose to have left the barracks until the next day. I was then told that I would be up for another Article 15. This time 45 days. I went to my platoon leader and he went to check the CQ log. It was written by former friend that I was done that day not the next. This was a vey specific mistake on his part and that I had done nothing wrong which any reasonable person would have concluded. Although, the CO didn't see it this way. My PL told me to appeal to the Battalion Commander and be assigned to another company. My request was granted but I was still given the punishment. My PL was to become the new XO at the company I was assigned. This was were I found out how petty people can be. He told me that I was set up and that they wanted to make an example out of me. Apparently the CO was not fond of me for some reason. One of the reason's my PL was in my corner, plus he didn't think the CO was much of a leader. My biggest issue was that I was to be promoted the next week before the first punishment to an E-4 and then, possibly, PLDC. All that went out the door and my time in wasn't the same. Needless to say I was probably wrong for insinuating that his promotion was going to his head. It affected the next half-year of service. And, in hindsight, was the reason I didn't stay in longer. I was young and didn't understand a lot. But thankful for the better leadership and guidance I received after. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to want to stay.
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SP5 Randall Bohn
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My squad leader was an SSG, Vietnam vet, and he was always talking about his “combat “ experiences to the squad. According to a Vietnam vet in another platoon, he spent the entire war guarding a warehouse in Saigon. When I asked him where his CIB was, he changed the subject.
Anyway, he hated me after that, just like I thought he was a scumbag.
One Sunday he had CQ, and he was pissed off about having to drive into post on his day off, on a Sunday. So, he immediately walks to the barracks, and comes up to my room, walks in, gets about 2 inches from my face and starts screaming at me. First off, I was a CPL, not a private, and I wasn’t about to take sh*t from a jerk like that. Didn’t think, I just reacted. I jumped out of bed and knocked him out of my room. People separated us after that. They were going to article 15 me, but apparently because of the 30 second rule, they didn’t. They did take my arcom away (that arcom really pissed him off), because apparently he would have bitched too much if they didn’t do anything to me.
I just hope this “person” sees this and recognizes himself.
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SGT Jonathan Thrasher
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As a young sgt, I got into it with my 1sgt in the last two weeks of our second deployment. He had always been an ass to me since I had gotten sent to his troop, not sure why. Had never talked to him before and did my job good. Any ways, we were working on leaving Iraq and I got put on night duty in the toc, and we had gotten a report of a possible ied, so I wrote it down, flagged it on the map and reported it. Beyond that the night was silent. When relief came in, I reported it to them and showed them the marker on the map. We leave, I shower and hit the sack only to be woken up two hours later by pounding on my door. I answered and the runner said we had to see top, so I got dressed and went back. Walked in and he was instantly in my face screaming about what a piece of shit I was and blah blah blah. I just stood there at parade rest and took it. Finally he shut the fuck up and let me speak, to which I told him I told them it was there and in the notes. As he started screaming the xo walked in, over hearing it all and butted in to tell top that I had indeed informed my relief of the possible ied, since he had been there. I swear tops face got even darker red and was foaming at the mouth more. I should have kept my mouth shut, but I didn't. I fucking told you so came flying out of my mouth before I could close it. Big mistake. Top and I found a secluded area and beat the shit out of each other. Can't say who won, I don't think either of us did. Needless to say, after that he never messed with me again, he actually got nicer after that. Guess he just needed someone brave enough, dumb enough or both, to stand up to him.
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SPC Jason Halper
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I don't condone bad leaders that need to insult and discredit team members to prove their "power". I had several times where shouting matches occurred over matters that the NCO would not look at the actual issue. I was serving as a 63D at Ft. Riley (SP artillery mechanic) and found damages on a vehicle that required extra parts. The "almighty" NCO (in his own mind, P. Sanford) came down on me for all sorts of issues, everything from insulting me in front of the team towards multiple article 15 threats. He called me a liar in front of everyone. Funny part, the battalion MT Officer verified that I was right about the damages and how I was doing the right thing by ordering extra parts. Simply, shouting matches are not needed yet weak leaders (such as P. Sanford, no resentments of course) that see the need for these actions need to grow up and realize their ranks does not make them special. Shouting matches only breakdown respect and trust amongst the team, a good leader will always listen twice and act once.
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1SG John Millan
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As a 1SG, I got in several shouting matches with an unsat CSM in the Guard, draft dodger, overweight, tried to get me to falsify records. He was politically connected. Eventually went to prison for 17 years as a child molester.
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