Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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I made a threat to an NCO. My grandfather was passing away. I was at a purple command so I ended up with an Army Sergeant over me even though I was Navy. Master Chief told me get home and he'll sort things out when he returned from leave. SGT decided I could not go and threatened me with an AWOL and Article 92 if I left. I threatened to cut his balls off and told him if he did not get out of my way with a purpose he would soon relate to my grandfather's condition. I also threw a chair at him to prove my point. I ended up going home. I was discharged with an Honorable but barred from ever serving again. The Sergeant got denoted and due to time in service that forced him out.
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Once. I was on watch overseas when the Senior Chief came back and he was drunk. He was ranting at everyone so I walked away to take my readings. He followed me behind the boilers and started screaming. I finally got mad and told him to STFU. He took a swing at me. I responded by kicking him in the nuts. He went down and I figured I was going to mast (njp) so I jumped on him and started swinging. My top watch pulled me off and told me to get back on watch. They escorted him to his rack. Never got in trouble.
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Being wierder than most, I don't "scream" at anybody when I'm really angry. i assume my drill instructor persona and in my best voice of authority I order my adversary to do such-and-such. They almost always comply. In those few instances where my bluff is called, I get nose-to-nose and just stare. Remember; they guy who yells firsr loses.
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While stationed on Futenma Air Base on Okinawa with Marine Air Support Squadron 2 back in 1986 I stood in front of my Sergeant Major, at attention, for over 3 hours, while he chewed me up one side and down the other for dis-respecting our Squadron Commander, who was a full bird. I have learned from the experience, believe me.
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When emotions come into play...its very difficult as reason and calm leaves. Understand when the shit Hit a the fan, what are you going to do in response. Overall, bite your tongue and exit. Do what needs to be done and allow yourself out of a bad situation of even becoming worse. As an E3 you may be given leeway in this situation or not but it may looked under that context.
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I had a 1SG who thought all SP5's were useless and shouldn't be allowed any E5 privileges. At one point he decided all SP5's were to move out of the five man E5 rooms and back into the fifteen man bays even though there as no quarters shortage. I asked to see him privately and we discussed the responsibilities of SP5's as opposed to buck sergeants. When we got through, he had a new respect for the SP5 group and even invited me to have a drink with him at the NCO club (E5 and above only) which he had earlier attempted to have SP5's barred from. We were also told to move back into the E5 rooms. Later as a civilian, I punched out an O5 who thought he was GOD. They sent me to anger management training and transferred him.
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Oh, no, you can't just say, "I punched out an O5 who thought he was GOD. They sent me to anger management training and transferred him." And not tell THAT story!
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SSG Cam Prince
SPC (Join to see) - Ok. This O5 thought all civilians who had not first retired from active duty were scum of the earth and shouldn't be allowed to work for DoD in any position. He tried to have me and two other former service members charged with fraud for using our TDY vehicle to go to meals outside of duty hours. It got heated and he pushed me and I swung once. He was down and I called the MP's and asserted assault on his part. Fortunately, his SMAJ was an old friend of mine and had observed the whole incident. Needless to say, the SMAJ and the two other civilians had kept us apart until the MP'S arrived.
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SSG Cam Prince - Don't see why YOU needed anger management for defending yourself after he pushed you after trying to slander you and two others.
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You should never get into an altercation with a superior, regardless of how bad the superior is acting. Insubordination only goes up the chain, not down. Never give a superior the ability to get you, especially it he/she is being an ass. While an SSG in USSOUTHCOM in the Special Security Office I had a COL give one of my NCOs a hard time because he did not like security restrictions concerning foreign dignitaries. He said "I will not allow security to interfere with my operations." I did not get into an argument, I did a site inspection and passed my findings up the chain. The LTG J3 toldthe COL to fix every one of the 20 or so violations. My point, unless the superior lays hands on you, don't argue as there are always better ways to handle the situation.
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Borderline insubordination once as an E4 with E6, he had taken us several miles in wrong direction on "foot"and wouldn't listen initially, finally turned around after 5 miles, same E6 put us in 1k zone a few times, after I showed him my expertise with map and compus, he allowed me map out routes
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As an E5 I had an E3 grab me once. I calmly explained that we could have a discussion but he wasn't to put hands on. He was walked away by shipmates came back apologized and explained his position calmly and I was able to help him. Only time I had an issue. Really was he just didn't want to calm down and talk rather he wanted to demand
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UCMJ...and a FEW A FEW STRIPES LOST....they have more stripes for a reason!
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