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SN Dale "CG" Veach
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Doing so gets UCMJ hearing...and the loss of a few stripes
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SP5 Robert Kennedy
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Yes, the First Sgt (Rivera) at my basic training company dismissed me from the daily briefing before noon chow for laughing as his voice cracked-into-a-chirp. He told me to lay dead on a pile of rocks behind the formation... so when I got to the rocks I did a Hollywood movie death fall on the rocks and he went ballistic. When the trainees were dismissed for lunch, I was commanded to report to the back door of our barracks (in the 3 story block construction "Disneyland" section of Fort Knox). When I got there he had a couple Drill Sergeants pull me into the building and he started whaling on me. The CO and one of the Lt. platoon leaders walked into the hallway, and immediately turned around and left (I had no idea that this was not an approved practice). Had a series of confrontations with SFC Lynch in Pleiku, 1968. He put me up for Court Marshall and the CO (1LT Gooding) called me in to question me. Long talk - no charges, but a week later I was promoted on the 2% program. Again in 1969 at Ft, McPherson in Atlanta: The Command Sgt Major caught me doing something illegal - which really rankled him... but he told me he'd put me in the brig if I ever did it again. A few weeks later he asked me to do it for him, and 3 weeks before my separation from active duty the Col. (Sandsmark) took me to lunch, and without specifically mentioning the deed - he told me that he was aware of what I had been doing, and offered me more that a years E-5 salary as a bonus if I would re-up. As a draftee, I honored my responsibility to serve. But, let's face it, I was not wired to quiet obedience, and celebrated my release July 3, 1969. Admittedly, those two years of service are the proudest of my life by honoring what every American should experience.
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SPC Sebastian Wentz
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In Bagram, the Letterman dorms had weekly rotating cleaning schedules. We had an NCO E5 who was married and he would hang out in the hospital looking for prey to cheat on his wife with. This activity caused him to miss his rotation of cleaning toilets and urinals several times. I hated this guy he was worthless. I used to be in my bunk on my day off trying to find my peace. MFers used to barge the door open and yell " These fukin urinals are nasty who is cleaning them!" "The list says SGT _____ is supposed to clean this shit where is he specialist? " and various other comments. I was an E4 in a room with a Butterbar, MSGT, and 2 E5's. The 4th rotation for our room to have the latrines I lost my shit I hiked my ass over to the hospital and pulled him away from the beef skirt he was flaunting over and had him follow me into the nearest coms closet. I started out nice letting him know "with all due respect SGT or not if you do not drag your lazy ass over to the dorm and shave the fucking beard off of the fucking urinal I am going to wipe it off with your pillow and sheets. Its like where is the dumbass every time we have this schedule and I am tired of it (Now I am screaming) Get the fuck over there and clean that shit NOW! ...sgt." As I walked out he was flabbergasted stammering with tears in his red-tinted eyes .... spec...spec...specialist get back here. I was already halfway down the hall I tossed the dual bird salute and went back to the dorm. This fucker ratted on me and was crying when he was telling Staff how evil and mean I was. The unit knew this guy was a complete shitbag and Staff had my back but I still got a stern talking to for disrespecting rank.
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Last time I got asked that question, I snappily responded, "I don't know, it isn't my day to babysit him." Yea, I was lucky my NCOs at the time were pretty laid back and understood that I was really frustrated with stupid questions like that that day, even if I did get a few hairy eyeballs for the attitude. Luckily, the 2 star was not in his office that day to witness it, either.
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1SG Diane Gicewicz
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As a MSG deployed to AFG, I had an E4 get in my face, arguing, spitting and acting a fool! I figured he was just an immature schmuck and yes, he was firmly corrected. 2 years down the road a background investigator called about said incident.....he did NOT get hired....painful lesson for him. Recommend to all, take a deep breath, think about what you're doing and saying before opening your mouth. Have a mentor, it helps to have a different perspective on things.
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PO2 Paul Dempsey
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Yes when I was assigned recruiting duty. Told the truth to the CO about the senior chief in charge of the station. The CO. didn't like my answer and didn't like that I stood fast and refused to change it. I Was shipped to another station and had to commute and hour half. My previous station stats went to zero enlistment for three months a low and behold I was transfered back and was district recruiter of the month the month I returned.
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SFC Volunteer For Veterans Help Organization
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I don’t recall having any heated discussions with any senior NCO’s, however I do remember having a few with a Major who, in my opinion, was a person who had risen to his level of incompetence. It turned out in my favor, though.
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SGT Tiik Taaka
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Norman V. Peale, a Christian and visionary, would be proud to read your post...
"...a person who had risen to his level of incompetence."
Rank is good on the paycheck, makes mama or papa smile at home, but it doesn't always speak to level of competence nor leadership...those things are acquired in other ways.
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SGT Tiik Taaka - Where do you suppose I got that phrase? Many years ago I read his book, still have it in my extensive collection of books. Glad to have received a reply from a like-minded individual.
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SPC Martin Meyer
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I never got in a screaming match but I did get into the sergeant's face pretty hard. I was headed home on emergency leave and they were going to hold me a Fort Dix for the weekend as I arrived on a
Friday. My dad was in the hospital and not doing well. I got in the sergeant's face told him I wanted to see the duty officer. Duty officer contacted the Red Cross verified my emergency leave status and I was on a plane that night headed home.
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TSgt David Olson
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That would never had occurred in the military I was in.
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Ok listen up, any altercation with an NCO will in most circumstances bring you a UCMJ action. Be smart, if you have a reasonable request for leave, have your family, or family member request to your chain of command an emergency leave request. Most of the time this can be completed by your Brigade/Company Commander within 24-48 hrs. Secondly, every educated well versed Senior and company commander has an open door policy.
Especially in matters that involve immediate family members such as the one you noted, the American Red Cross can verify and request to any Division/Brigade/Company Command an emergency leave, [read up on your Brigades Emergency Leave Policy;- No Commander or NCO can ignore that.

And as a final note, in my day as a Section or Company Platoon Sgt., if a subordinate Soldier puts his hands on me, it’s something I would guarantee would negatively impact and affect their future Army career.
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SGT Tiik Taaka
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Ofc...hands on is a whole other show. Shouting matches happen a lot, and it can and will negatively impact or affect the career of one or both parties. In the MC, hands on was a one-way street. Shouting matches eventually spawned hands on. No one wins with hands on. The pen is mightier than the sword. I don't need to win a shouting match if I can write. I don't need to debase my troops if I can lead. The only hands-on I condone is that of anyone using or operating government issued tools, machines, equipment, vehicles, scalpels, etc...
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SPC Tommy Dean
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Never. That would be disrespectful. I wanted to on several occasions but just took the undeserved ass chewing and/or punishment and when we went to Grafenwoehr in the winter I made sure that individual’s heater didn’t work. After a few days, I usually received an apology and several cases of beer upon our return to garrison. I did feel sorry for the Bradley crew members, but the lesson must be learned.
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