Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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It was a cool night, stars filled the sky. The hour is 2 a.m. and we are lost. I am not in a position of leadership, although my skin reaps of it. We were lost. I heard the leaders whispering, and decided to step up to the core principles of leadership (Pick the ones that match on your own -hahaha).
Me, 'Sgt. I can get us back to camp?'
Him, pausing for a moment, 'How can you get us back to camp?'
Me, 'I took a back azimuth before we left.'
Him, 'Show me.'
Me, 'First lets get the map oriented...there...that's the road here on the map,' I pointed with my finger.' All we need to do is make a right at the small stream in that direction,' pointing once more.
Him, 'You better be right.'
Me, (Starting to doubt myself)...'The camp is here.' pointing at the map for the last time.
We turned at the stream, oriented the map, and I stated the azimuth. We walked for about two hundred yards, and heard the most pleasant sound you'll ever hear in your life, aside from 'Mail Call'...
'Halt!' Who goes there!' the voice bellowed through the thick fog of night.
I replied with the challenge password, and we advanced into the perimeter of the camp to be recognized...We were released from duty and had the best night sleep you can imagine.
See...sometimes a whispering match can be just as awkward as shouting.
It was a cool night, stars filled the sky. The hour is 2 a.m. and we are lost. I am not in a position of leadership, although my skin reaps of it. We were lost. I heard the leaders whispering, and decided to step up to the core principles of leadership (Pick the ones that match on your own -hahaha).
Me, 'Sgt. I can get us back to camp?'
Him, pausing for a moment, 'How can you get us back to camp?'
Me, 'I took a back azimuth before we left.'
Him, 'Show me.'
Me, 'First lets get the map oriented...there...that's the road here on the map,' I pointed with my finger.' All we need to do is make a right at the small stream in that direction,' pointing once more.
Him, 'You better be right.'
Me, (Starting to doubt myself)...'The camp is here.' pointing at the map for the last time.
We turned at the stream, oriented the map, and I stated the azimuth. We walked for about two hundred yards, and heard the most pleasant sound you'll ever hear in your life, aside from 'Mail Call'...
'Halt!' Who goes there!' the voice bellowed through the thick fog of night.
I replied with the challenge password, and we advanced into the perimeter of the camp to be recognized...We were released from duty and had the best night sleep you can imagine.
See...sometimes a whispering match can be just as awkward as shouting.
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Ofc...who hasn't?
Mine is quite interesting, to say the least...
As a young SPC4, I found myself on a very elite installation team with a mission in a foreign country. It was nearly lunch time, and we decided to meet at the daily eatery. I was wiring a power panel, with high voltage (50k) cables, and used the lock-out/Tag-out process before leaving.
After lunch, I climbed the ladder and was reminded that cables were in Lock-out/Tag-out -the bright yellow tag is hard to miss. For a brief moment, before touching a bank of 3 OTT cable, my mind told me that no one would turn on a breaker during lunch...the panel is new, as well. Then, my training kicked in...I climbed down from the ladder and checked the breaker box (with my padlock still locked).
I opened the lock and flipped the panel open to check my three breakers. OMG! The power is ON. Confusing because I am the only person with a key...but not. An NCO, during lunch, flipped my breakers on.
'Who opened the breaker box?' I spoke clearly in a military manner.
The NCO chimed in, 'I did! I needed power at my equipment.'
'Oh! You turned on the wrong breakers.'
'NO! I did not turn on the wrong breakers.'
'You did! Look...' I said, pointing at my three breakers at the bottom of the panel.
'Those are not your breakers! They are mine.' he barked
'Show me your equipment on the blueprint.'
He snatched the blueprint from the table and oriented it to his position. After pointing his finger, and me tracing the circuits, I concluded...
'You're reading the blueprint upside down. Your breakers are all on the top...two of them it says. Why did you turn on three? and those three are mine? I locked the panel out before lunch, and I am the only one with a key!'
In short, I learned the LO/TO Program has a flaw...(2)keys per lock. I read once, there should be one key. If the one key is lost or stolen, the lock must be cut-off. The NCO was sent back to the US the next day, and I became the LO/TO specialist.
Mine is quite interesting, to say the least...
As a young SPC4, I found myself on a very elite installation team with a mission in a foreign country. It was nearly lunch time, and we decided to meet at the daily eatery. I was wiring a power panel, with high voltage (50k) cables, and used the lock-out/Tag-out process before leaving.
After lunch, I climbed the ladder and was reminded that cables were in Lock-out/Tag-out -the bright yellow tag is hard to miss. For a brief moment, before touching a bank of 3 OTT cable, my mind told me that no one would turn on a breaker during lunch...the panel is new, as well. Then, my training kicked in...I climbed down from the ladder and checked the breaker box (with my padlock still locked).
I opened the lock and flipped the panel open to check my three breakers. OMG! The power is ON. Confusing because I am the only person with a key...but not. An NCO, during lunch, flipped my breakers on.
'Who opened the breaker box?' I spoke clearly in a military manner.
The NCO chimed in, 'I did! I needed power at my equipment.'
'Oh! You turned on the wrong breakers.'
'NO! I did not turn on the wrong breakers.'
'You did! Look...' I said, pointing at my three breakers at the bottom of the panel.
'Those are not your breakers! They are mine.' he barked
'Show me your equipment on the blueprint.'
He snatched the blueprint from the table and oriented it to his position. After pointing his finger, and me tracing the circuits, I concluded...
'You're reading the blueprint upside down. Your breakers are all on the top...two of them it says. Why did you turn on three? and those three are mine? I locked the panel out before lunch, and I am the only one with a key!'
In short, I learned the LO/TO Program has a flaw...(2)keys per lock. I read once, there should be one key. If the one key is lost or stolen, the lock must be cut-off. The NCO was sent back to the US the next day, and I became the LO/TO specialist.
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In my very humble opinion (sarcastic grin here) if any "professional" military member has never been in a verbal "discussion" then I have to wonder where their line of ethical behavior begins? I have been in a few heated discussions (luckily no hands on then as all bets are off) but afterwards, with bruised egos on both sides of the discussion, we were able to continue the mission and resume life. As a saying goes, "if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything." Keep your eye on the mission, be professional and at times speak up as necessary.
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My buddy got into it with a MSG some years back who claimed he was promoted to CSM and demanded to be addressed as much. But, my buddy asked him where his CSM rank was and was told I hadn't put it on yet. And the kicker? My buddy asked for a set of promotion orders which he clearly didn't have. He basically told the guy if you're wearing MSG Rank, then you'll be addressed as such until you wear the CSM rank. A huge and glorious argument ensued which gone no where. I swear some leaders can be toxic and self absorbed A-HOLES!
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SPC (Join to see)
I had a guy I was dating claim to have been commissioned to LT (from PFC after having receently been hit with NJP), show up at my door with no patrol cap (probably had sew on PFC rank) and velcro LT rank (ACUs were just being phased in) and tell me to salute him. His ID still said PFC, and I knew that he HAD to get his ID updated to reflect the correct Geneva Convention code had he REALLY been commissioned, he claimed the ID card machine was down that day. Nope, I knew plenty of people who had just gotten new CACs that day, and all week. Told him to come demand a salute from me at work when he had a copy of his promotion orders, udpated CAC, on-post, and in uniform. Yea, guess who never showed up looking for a salute. A few weeks later he deployed, his MySpace profile picture has him still a PFC, and a couple months later his profile pic is a dick pic. I don't know why he thought I was that gullible.
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Yes. Came home advanced party from Grayling Mi. driving an open deuce and a half so I could go to my cousins wedding the next day. The trucks brakes started to smoke north of Lansing, I pulled over ,and sweep vehicle did not stop. 4 hours later another units vehicle stopped and got us to a nearby rest stop. They stood by while I contacted my unit in Grayling. My CO said to stay at rest stop till main convoy the next day. I told him no. I explained I had an open deuce loaded with mini guns and 40 mm grenade launchers for our units AH-1 Cobras and was un armed, and it was a safety issue in that area. Was told to bad and to wait. I then explained that what was going to happen was I was going to limp the sick truck to the nearby Michigan St PD , identify myself with my civilian LE badge from my full time job, and request they impound every weapon for safe keeping . After that I would get a bus or rental car to go home, and he could explain to the Ohio AG why the weapons were in custody of Michigan State PD. He then said they would have someone to me in about three hours. which they did and we got to the home armory around 0200 Saturday Morning At the time being an E-4 in a argument with an O-5 , I figured I had not just burned a bridge but had nuked it. With in 2 months I lateraled over to the Air Guard
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YES--In a manner of speaking---The Battalion Command Sergeant Major told me to have my troops do a PT run in -20 below zero, along with a bracing upstate New York wind. After my refusals fell on deaf ears I finally told him to get fucked, and held the PT run on a warmer day. He was unhappy with me, however, I took being a 1st Sergeant seriously.
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Yes, I won't name the former BN CDR or the overseas duty station but I ended up telling him he was a lying POS in front of the BN following an overdose incident in the barracks. I being the senior NCO present had the CQ call an ambulance which triggered a Blotter incident. This particular division required commanders to respond to blotter incidents to the CG.
When the ambulance pulled up to the barracks a highly intoxicated BN CDR showed up, made an ass of himself then stumbled out.
Monday morning he gathered everyone in the camp theater and proceeded to tell everyone what a terrible NCO I was for calling an ambulance and a few other things.
Of course I was relieved from my PSG position and he tried to press it to charges, until the BDE CDR and CSM got ahold of it and learned the real story.
When the ambulance pulled up to the barracks a highly intoxicated BN CDR showed up, made an ass of himself then stumbled out.
Monday morning he gathered everyone in the camp theater and proceeded to tell everyone what a terrible NCO I was for calling an ambulance and a few other things.
Of course I was relieved from my PSG position and he tried to press it to charges, until the BDE CDR and CSM got ahold of it and learned the real story.
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Loudly and with anger. I was wrong and apologized to him for it.
Another time, after suggesting that the person I shared the Ship’s Office with that it would be a good time for him to go have some coffee....The EO, a Prior Enlisted O-2 started off by screaming at me about not ordering handheld calculators by a priority message when we were on a counter narcotics patrol in the Eastern Pacific. So I lit into him; a few minutes later there was a knock on the door - it was the XO; asking us to please hold the voices down; they were holding a qualification board and couldn’t hear. Later that day I went to talk to the XO and apologized for my actions. No problem he said. The next day at Morning Quarters the XO called me forward; and the EO as well. The EO was reminded by the XO about what he was supposed to do....apologize in front of the crew for verbally attacking me! It’s always good to be right!
Another time, after suggesting that the person I shared the Ship’s Office with that it would be a good time for him to go have some coffee....The EO, a Prior Enlisted O-2 started off by screaming at me about not ordering handheld calculators by a priority message when we were on a counter narcotics patrol in the Eastern Pacific. So I lit into him; a few minutes later there was a knock on the door - it was the XO; asking us to please hold the voices down; they were holding a qualification board and couldn’t hear. Later that day I went to talk to the XO and apologized for my actions. No problem he said. The next day at Morning Quarters the XO called me forward; and the EO as well. The EO was reminded by the XO about what he was supposed to do....apologize in front of the crew for verbally attacking me! It’s always good to be right!
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Back when I was a SFC and an operations NCO for a Training Battalion, my BN Training SGM and I got into a really huge argument reference equipment requests that some of the instructors needed. The BN SGM (without anybody knowing it) wanted to be the final approval for all training requests, even if it was nothing more than just a box of maps. In this case, the instructors had asked for a piece of Program of Instruction (POI) equipment, they explained why and for how long etc. SO I approved it, made the necessary arrangements and delivered the equipment in about 30 minutes. Clean and easy with the instructors happy as well as the students better trained. Or so I thought.,,
Later that day, I was at the training site working with a couple other instructors on future training plans, when the SGM showed up and started chewing my ass out in front of these two instructors. No big thing, we were a family and he had chewed my ass out before for similar small stuff (he was a big control freak guy). In this case, it was just the four of us on site, with no students around (or so we thought). About five minutes into the heated discussion with lots of screaming and finger pointing, one of the instructors shouted that the students had arrived to my left. I turned to look and saw about 20 students gaggling around watching the SGM and me in our face to face argument. I looked at the students, then back at the SGM and simply said "Sorry'" and walked away.
The students initially thought I was being dis-respectful of the SGM (we had been working together for about 3 years at that point in time and I had orders for promotion to MSG/1SG and transfer at the end of the month). It was not dis-respectful of the SGM, just making on the spot decisions to help the instructors. Well, eventually the instructors explained what it was all about and also why I dis-engaged so quickly from the argument. If the argument with the SGM was just between us the instructors, I would have stayed longer. The two instructors knew the specifics and agreed I did the right thing in both the issuing of the POI equipment as well as dis-engaging from the SGM.
In the long run, I left the organization without really talking to the SGM except for the completion of my NCOER. He initially started to hammer me on my NCOER, but the Senior Rater (MAJ) knew the details as well and made the SGM correct the NCOER and saved my career. Thank GOD for Good Officers and Instructors.
Moral of the story, don't get into arguments with Senior NCOs unless you're in a private room with others there to support your story. Plus I learned to give my NCOs and officers I work with the ability to make decisions on site, but to at least keep me in the loop as soon as they can so I can defend their choice, even if I don't necessary agree with it.
Later that day, I was at the training site working with a couple other instructors on future training plans, when the SGM showed up and started chewing my ass out in front of these two instructors. No big thing, we were a family and he had chewed my ass out before for similar small stuff (he was a big control freak guy). In this case, it was just the four of us on site, with no students around (or so we thought). About five minutes into the heated discussion with lots of screaming and finger pointing, one of the instructors shouted that the students had arrived to my left. I turned to look and saw about 20 students gaggling around watching the SGM and me in our face to face argument. I looked at the students, then back at the SGM and simply said "Sorry'" and walked away.
The students initially thought I was being dis-respectful of the SGM (we had been working together for about 3 years at that point in time and I had orders for promotion to MSG/1SG and transfer at the end of the month). It was not dis-respectful of the SGM, just making on the spot decisions to help the instructors. Well, eventually the instructors explained what it was all about and also why I dis-engaged so quickly from the argument. If the argument with the SGM was just between us the instructors, I would have stayed longer. The two instructors knew the specifics and agreed I did the right thing in both the issuing of the POI equipment as well as dis-engaging from the SGM.
In the long run, I left the organization without really talking to the SGM except for the completion of my NCOER. He initially started to hammer me on my NCOER, but the Senior Rater (MAJ) knew the details as well and made the SGM correct the NCOER and saved my career. Thank GOD for Good Officers and Instructors.
Moral of the story, don't get into arguments with Senior NCOs unless you're in a private room with others there to support your story. Plus I learned to give my NCOs and officers I work with the ability to make decisions on site, but to at least keep me in the loop as soon as they can so I can defend their choice, even if I don't necessary agree with it.
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