Posted on Oct 29, 2016
Has the military gotten to far away from the Warrior Culture?
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Should we have more leaders such as real- world Gen Patton and LtGen Puller and fictitious Col Jessup (A Few Good Men) and GySgt Tom Highway (Heartbreak Ridge) or have the days of "Rough men standing ready to do violence to the enemy" passed into history? Can there be an effective blend of "sensitivity for others" and "warrior ethos" without compromise of combat capability?
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The character of Jessup's a poor example. He's supposed to represent the unethical and egomaniacal. But Nicholson's performance makes him seem a tragic hero. Too few remember the film's line about protecting those who can't protect themselves. There's better examples out there for your question. Jessup's not admirable, just cinematic.
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1SG(P) (Join to see)
Additionally, Jessup ordered a hazing, and when it was discovered, he tried to pin it on his subordinates to cover himself. He wasn't an ethical character.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
1SG(P) (Join to see) - That is a valid point and one I wasn't considering when I picked Jessup for the example.
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I prefer neither. I'd look for an example of a mission oriented, ethical leader. They're out there. I'd rather do that than put a flawed fictional character on a pedestal. Just because you dislike one doesn't mean you must rush to embrace the other. Of course, that's how our country now finds itself in a choice of the least popular major party candidates in our history.
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Col Val Finnell, MD, MPH
I agree. Political correctness drives everything. The most egregious example is calling Nidal Hasan's murder of 13 people at Ft. Hood "workplace violence" instead of what it really was - jihad.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Col Val Finnell, MD, MPH, not to mention the structural PC that prevented his sympathetic views of suicide bombers expressed in conferences from being reported up the chain of command for fear of being seen as an Islamophobe.
"Officials also believed they lacked solid evidence that Hasan was unstable and were concerned they could be accused of discriminating against him because of his Islamic identity or views."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/11/12/hasan-called-himself-soldier-allah-on-business-cards.html
"Officials also believed they lacked solid evidence that Hasan was unstable and were concerned they could be accused of discriminating against him because of his Islamic identity or views."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/11/12/hasan-called-himself-soldier-allah-on-business-cards.html
Hasan Called Himself 'Soldier of Allah' on Business Cards
The business cards were among numerous discoveries in Hasan's apartment of interest to investigators, who also are looking into whether Hasan wired money to Pakistan before last week's massacre
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Col Val Finnell, MD, MPH
Capt Seid Waddell - Yes, I know. Has an was my classmate at USUHS from 2007-2008. CDR Michael Jacobs and I objected to his presentations. We were told to "be sensitive" and listen.
After the Ft. Hood jihad attack, both of us were interviewed in Senator Lieberman's report. The title of that report is "A Ticking Time Bomb" which was Jacob's characterization of Hasan. Both of us were told to shut up so Senator Lieberman had to give us cover.
I was at the trial in 2013 but Judge Osborn ruled that nothing could be used from his academic years.
After the Ft. Hood jihad attack, both of us were interviewed in Senator Lieberman's report. The title of that report is "A Ticking Time Bomb" which was Jacob's characterization of Hasan. Both of us were told to shut up so Senator Lieberman had to give us cover.
I was at the trial in 2013 but Judge Osborn ruled that nothing could be used from his academic years.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Col Val Finnell, MD, MPH, it is like our Justice system is a suicide pact - along with the PC leadership in the military.
Thank you for speaking up though - not enough do.
This incident shows the corrosive effect of liberal/progressives in charge in Washington D.C. - elections have consequences
Thank you for speaking up though - not enough do.
This incident shows the corrosive effect of liberal/progressives in charge in Washington D.C. - elections have consequences
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As long as New Agers see the US military as a hand holding and song singing social experimental place. Not, a prepare to fight and win war place. There is very little room for real men. But, don't worry MSgt, after this election the PC nonsense should be over and we can get back to being Americans. Not globalists.
M. Morris RVT
M. Morris RVT
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