Posted on Jun 11, 2022
John Joseph
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Have the women with combat jobs and have made it to the Ranger Regiment and Special Forces actually been fighting along side men, or have they been just for show?
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MAJ Jay Callahalm
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Whenever this issue comes up. I think of a friend of mine, retired Colonel ADA, who had an Aunt who was an Army Nurse during WW2. She wasn't as big as a minute, tiny lady. Could never do a ruck-march or hump a tank track block. But she did deal with the mass casualties at Hickam Field on 7 Dec '41. When transferred to the ETO she was on a hospital ship off of Normandy on 6 Jun '44 - and that ship got strafed by the Luftwaffe - and while the male sailors, Corpsmen, etc were diving behind bulkheads and into steel passageways, she was on deck, fully exposed, tossing mattresses over the wounded men who were laying there exposed, to protect them some from fragments of spall as the bullets were splattering the decks and superstructure. She did receive a Bronze Star with the "V" device for that (a man would have gotten a Silver Star at least). Later that year, they figured that she'd had a pretty rough time of it and deserved a break, so they assigned her to a nice, quiet sector where nothing was happening - - - - BASTOGNE! She did great service there as well. It's about more than being able to do so many pushups or jogging miles with a ruck or hauling the tow-cable for a tank through mud. Plenty of women have served bravely and well throughout history. Standards should not be reduced just to accommodate them, but they also should not be automatically excluded just on the basis of sex.
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SSG Brian Pyle
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It is interesting that so much publicity came out when female soldiers were allowed to join special forces and the outcry of the public not that long ago.....Female soldiers have been serving in combat roles for a long time. Some of the best soldier I served beside have been female. They were serving in combat roles long before they were allowed to try for special forces in the MP Corp for as long as I can remember.
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SSG Eric Blue
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I'm going to go ahead and say yes. Six of my female battles were attached to either Civil Affairs or PSYOPS and one of them was borrowed by 2nd Marine Division to replace a corpsman who had a real-world emergency. All six of them had to shoot, move, and communicate while doing their jobs. So yes.
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Maj James Tippins
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It's a decent question but the answers will be all over the place.

If you are referring to the two female Army Rangers that were pushed through the training to meet one of Obama's goals, I'd like to know that answer. The posts some of the men in their squad made were not reassuring. I'd even like to know if the whole thing was true or some made up social media trash.

I've met a few women that could kick ass. Whether they are in elite military jobs is another matter.

But who cares? Modern military equipment can be operated by almost any individual, and gender status doesn't matter in all but the most physically strenuous jobs. That's right, I said it.

There are a lot more men than women in physically demanding jobs because of the obvious differences in physique and tone. Does it not mean there could be an Army of Amazons out there? No.

My take on any job in the services has always been this: If you can legitimately pass the physical requirements, you are qualified to do the job regardless of gender.

So if more women can meet the training requirements to kick ass and take names, I say great!
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SSG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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I do find it interesting how many people have failed to address that actual question. I'd hope with officers and senior NCOs that reading comprehension would be higher than has just been displayed. He didn't ask if women have seen combat. He didn't ask about female support personnel down range that were "attached" to group or regiment. He didn't ask if any women in the specific 75th and group have seen combat. I only know of one female that served in the regiment and as far as I know she was an officer that was RFSd. I've only known of one SF female whom made it through the Q-course. Whether or not she ever saw combat I couldn't say. The question isn't about women that earned a tab or happened to get shot at in Iraq while in a support position. There are literally only a couple women he specifically asked about. Everything else that everyone is getting up in arms about is over stuff he never even asked.
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LT William Pellegrini
Which wasn't the question. The question was did the couple of specific women that served in these units see combat?
If I ask if my uncle Steve has seen combat, and then everyone goes on about how various uncles throughout centuries have seen combat and how they've personally known someone named Steve that served with them in combat, in no way addresses the question of if my specific uncle named Steve saw combat. No one has said in this thread that women don't deserve respect. No one has said that a woman has never fired a weapon. No one has said that women have never been in harms way. So why are we changing the terms of the question in order to make it into something that was never asked so that we can rant and complain online?
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LT William Pellegrini
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Hmm. Do you consider women serving in a hospital or MASH facility receiving shelling from the enemy combat? Was I engaged in combat while flying in the rear seat of an F-4B over N.Vietnam, dropping bombs and dodging flack? And what if I were a woman in that cockpit, am I in combat? Or are we defining combat as being in a fox hole, period? One must think thru the question. It seems to me that being in combat is not as narrow an experience as one might think.
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LT William Pellegrini yes. Combat is combat. Being shot at is combat. Shooting at is combat. It still isn't what the person asked. Did the one female that served in group and the one that served in regiment see combat? That's the question. Those two specific people. He didn't ask if women shot at in a combat zone at a MASH saw combat. He asked if two specific people have seen combat yet. No matter how you wish to define the parameters of what combat is-did those two specific people he referred to in his question see it? Once again, no one has claimed at all in this thread that no women have seen combat.
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LT William Pellegrini
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I stand corrected. Thanks
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1SG Michael Bonnett
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If there are no woman on the Super Bowl teams during the Super Bowl that should tell you something. If you lose in the Super Bowl you are still alive the next weekend. Kind of puts all that propaganda in it's place.
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SFC Instructor
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Why will you question them? Are you mad maybe because you could not do it??
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PO2 Mike Keyes
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Maybe I'm reading the question wrong, but I don't see where it ask if they are 'capable', or 'should', or 'belong there'. It seems to be asking 'in the time since women have allowed in SF or Ranger training, have the ones that have completed that training been assigned combat roles?'.
Rule 1 in test taking: READ the question and don't read more into it than is there.
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SSG Ralph Watkins
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Opening those jobs to women is just an administrative step. Women going on missions with our special operations forces has been going on for many years. They may not have had the MOS but they were cross trained or trained up for doing certain missions. When an SF Mike team goes into a village, they will take female soldiers to work with the local women. Our SEAL teams in Iraq as part of their protection detail for the Iraqi govt utilized our females to do security checks on females coming into Iraqi govt venues & facilities. And yes, females have gotten trigger time, been wounded, & even killed on these missions. They have been performing with respect & dignity for several decades.
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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Thank you, support like medics (women train with, and get shot at).
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SFC Lynn Santosuosso
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Yes! I have friends who were members of the cultural support team (CST), who served with the Rangers in their units in Afghanistan! They carry the same load, the same weapons, fought beside them, and when they took over a town searching for insurgence it was the CST’s who were assigned, with an interpreter, to get information from the women and children of the village. They had to go through pretty tough training, and if you want to read a book that is first-hand about a few of these women, the book is called, Ashley’s War.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/23019289
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