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Posted on Nov 16, 2015
SSgt Alex Robinson
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Is this an act of terror or just someone stealing weapons?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/15/worcester-armory-break-in-fbi
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Not to get in the weeds of security of weapons, but one does not simply "break in" to a weapons vault. It has a gigantic steel door wired with an alarm that will alert law enforcement if opened without a code. After that, weapons are in a cage and locked in heavy racks.
Further, if you were breaking in to take weapons, you wouldn't just abscond with a couple. You'd try to get as many as you could carry.

This smells like either an inside job, where the culprit will be identified very easily, or a case of non-accountability after use, where the commander and armorer at minimum will fry.
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LTC John Shaw
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SSG John Thornton - hmmm, probably not an inside job, facts, they are funny things.
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CSM Carlson C.
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You gotta be kidding me. Got to be an inside job. But then I question the physical security. Why did the motion detectors not go off? I hope the jackass that did this one fries... I need to read the whole story.
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I completely agree. Even with key/code it's still difficult lol. I hate to say it but the army is still full of the "****bags" and is more than likey the inside job 1SG Healy stated.
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We drilled this weekend and our Reserve Center Career Counselor also covers the Reserve Center in Worcester. She was there Saturday afternoon and the center was not vacated until 1800. By 0600 the next morning when everyone returned, they found that someone had cut through the roof of the building housing the arms room and that they also cut through the roof/ceiling of the arms room and did get away with an undisclosed number of weapons. FBI was on scene within 30 minutes. There was also evidence that whoever broke in also attempted to cover their tracks with a failed attempt to blow up the vault... I'll be glad to be corrected by anyone from Worcester who was there as a witness. Sounds premeditated, planned, and executed well. But until they are caught, we'll never know.

We also had an incident at our Reserve Center at the beginning of the summer where several suspicious, middle eastern men were found walking the perimeter of the building during the week. Police were notified and these men stated that they were just trying to find the recruiting center, which doesn't exist at our Reserve Center.... OPSEC needs to be real and practiced. No one knows what will happen next.
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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SSG (Join to see) thanks for the information. Stay safe.
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SSG (Join to see), according to this report it was 6 M4's and 10 M9's. This makes sense. I doubt linked ammo would be easy to come by for the M249's and M240's and forget grenades for the m203's and M320's. They can go to Walmart for 5.56mm and 9mm. This is terror related.

http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Weapons-Missing-From-Armory-in-Worcester-Massachusetts-After-Break-in-350164441.html
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SGT Shawn Volkmann
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I agree, these weapons will resurface in an attack on our soil.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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SSgt Alex Robinson sounds like whom ever did did travesty, if it was an inside job is, threatening National Security and will be a felon when convicted of this malicious crime.
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SSG Audwin Scott
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Wow, so the question is how in the world were some weapons stolen from an Army reserve unit? Was it an inside job or the security of these weapons in a weak area to be stolen?
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Have you heard about the weapons stolen from the Army reserve center in Massachusetts?
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SSgt Alex Robinson I saw this on the news last night as well.
This is both a weapons stealing and an terrorist attack.
They could have much better weapons by robbing a gun store, they must be really desperate to hit a reserve/guard armory.
The weapons should have been in the alarmed vault. These alarms go to a national centralized alarm point. These vaults are not easy break in points, weapons are to be secured in the racks as well and the rack secured to the floor:
1) Vault does not meet standards and no alarm - FSO is in big trouble
2) Could be an insider job, the investigators will check each person on the access list and their homes.
3) There should be a recording that can be viewed just inside the vault
I hope they quickly catch these folks.
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The code(s) are specific to individuals. The alarm records who entered what code when.
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LTC John Shaw
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1SG (Join to see) - Agreed this should be wrapped up quickly, unless the facility was left wide open, then the FSO should be charged under UCMJ.
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LTC John Shaw, it is incomprehensible to me that the vault would be just left unlocked AND someone would just happen to walk off with weapons. Nearly everyone (because there are always bad apples) in an Army Reserve center would note an open arms room and report it. I smell a rat.
Also, we are assuming weapons were taken from the vault. Some of them might have needed higher level repair and were packaged for shipment to a depot. Heck, they might just not have been properly accounted for during a transfer or turn-in. More mundane, if still negligent, explanations are possible or even probable than "terrorists broke into the vault".
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the perpetrators went through the roof of the building and the vault. See my other comment
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SGT William Howell
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I had to do an investigation on some M-16s that come up missing from a NG Armory. The guns were "Red Tagged" for repair and then were "borrowed" to take to the range for some full auto fun. The SPC could not get them back into the vault because the supply SGT had the combo. Heads rolled over that one.

I would think it is safe to say this is also an inside job.
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SGT William Howell
It could be an unwilling participant. It wouldn’t take too much research to find out who has access. Someone may have been coerced to assist.
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SGT William Howell
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SFC (Join to see) Could be, but typically if someone was forced to participate they will usually come forward as soon as they can. Normally the only person that will not come forward voluntarily is the person who committed the crime.
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SFC Terry Fortune
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Don't know, but I'm sure that there will be a lot of question ask. Feel sorry for the full-time folks working there.
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I come from a unit in Mass. I hope its not them !!
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Lincoln Reserve Center in Worchester. The unit has not been identified in anything I have found.
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SFC Force Management Ncoic
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There is only one unit there and its a medical unit
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Some dickhead child rapist stole them
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SGT Shawn Volkmann
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News to me,seems like a lid is being kept on it.
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