Posted on Feb 24, 2017
Have your experiences with cadets (who've come to shadow in your unit as part of CTLT) been disruptive or inconsequential?
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Many Rally Point members have likely encountered visiting cadets from ROTC programs or Service Academies who are shadowing a 2LT for CTLT. In your experiences, what has this been like for the cadet and for the unit? In general, is it considered disruptive or inconsequential? I'm on my way to an Infantry unit at Fort Lewis this summer and want to get the most benefit possible out of the experience.
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2LT (Join to see) "Have your experiences with cadets been disruptive or inconsequential?"
Both, and everything in between.
Some of that depends on the BN and BDE leadership ....If the Cadets are kept as mushrooms, then thats all they get out of it.
I also had a BN CDR who said "If there here they are doing the job" two weeks...Week one was ramp up, learn what you can in follow mode, because week two YOU are in charge.
That BN, who btw is one of the best officers I ever had the pleasure of serving with, also told the actual PL's and CO's.. How well you train them is what I will evaluate you on. Same was told to the NCO's.
Also had football players from a well known service academy that came as a vacation ideal..they thought like they had it in school their position as football stars (really??, you had the longest loosing string EVER) would get them a pass in the BN.... Off every night to Austin to party, then late retuning or hungover and useless. We had to pick one up for the local PD, arrested for D&D. The other 5 were marginal at best....and yes, that BN and BDE CofC pulled no punches not only wrote up the evauls as they should of been, but made personal phone calls to the school..
So in closing...We had some GREAT CTLT cadets that took the opportunity (and were given it, little bit of luck on their part for that, out of their control), and some useless ones that were disruptive or inconsequential.
There is some luck in timing as well..... if a Cadet shows up as the last of the unit equipment is being packed in conenxs and rail cars for an NTC rotation...the Cadet is going to see little but PT and accountability formations. Generally, the CORPS and DIV planners schedule so that is not the plan....but things happen.
So go, learn, listen more then you speak, there are DUMB questions.... those would be the ones you ask, you have already been giving the answer to, but did not pay attention and retain. If you need clarification phrase it as such, not a straight question..It helps to show you WERE listening, you just want to confirm.
So on day 5 it's not "SGT, what time is PT in the morning?" instead ask "SGT, PT formation, summers and 0530 for leadership yes?"
Both, and everything in between.
Some of that depends on the BN and BDE leadership ....If the Cadets are kept as mushrooms, then thats all they get out of it.
I also had a BN CDR who said "If there here they are doing the job" two weeks...Week one was ramp up, learn what you can in follow mode, because week two YOU are in charge.
That BN, who btw is one of the best officers I ever had the pleasure of serving with, also told the actual PL's and CO's.. How well you train them is what I will evaluate you on. Same was told to the NCO's.
Also had football players from a well known service academy that came as a vacation ideal..they thought like they had it in school their position as football stars (really??, you had the longest loosing string EVER) would get them a pass in the BN.... Off every night to Austin to party, then late retuning or hungover and useless. We had to pick one up for the local PD, arrested for D&D. The other 5 were marginal at best....and yes, that BN and BDE CofC pulled no punches not only wrote up the evauls as they should of been, but made personal phone calls to the school..
So in closing...We had some GREAT CTLT cadets that took the opportunity (and were given it, little bit of luck on their part for that, out of their control), and some useless ones that were disruptive or inconsequential.
There is some luck in timing as well..... if a Cadet shows up as the last of the unit equipment is being packed in conenxs and rail cars for an NTC rotation...the Cadet is going to see little but PT and accountability formations. Generally, the CORPS and DIV planners schedule so that is not the plan....but things happen.
So go, learn, listen more then you speak, there are DUMB questions.... those would be the ones you ask, you have already been giving the answer to, but did not pay attention and retain. If you need clarification phrase it as such, not a straight question..It helps to show you WERE listening, you just want to confirm.
So on day 5 it's not "SGT, what time is PT in the morning?" instead ask "SGT, PT formation, summers and 0530 for leadership yes?"
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It seems like mileage can really vary depending on the opinions of the field grades. But i'm certainly going to keep my nose clean, SGM. I can drink and party on my own time, but I'll only get to shadow once.
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Having done a couple of ROTC support rotations at Ft. Lewis over the years in support of ROTC I found for the most part that cadets were respectful and eager to learn, even prior services cadets-Of course there are always a couple jokers in every group!
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I appreciate the response, CSM! I'll do my best to be among the respectful and eager and not among the jokers.
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Interesting and different with each different Cadet. Once when I was in the Engineers, we had two different Pointers come and shadow in my platoon. The first Cadet couldn't get ENOUGH training and briefings on what we did. He once asked me to explain the M113, its capabilities and the proper way to PMCS one. The other Pointer......yea he wasn't as high speed.......more like high strung and flaunted that he was a Pointer. He even managed to rub our LT the wrong way.....and my LT was a Pointer as well.
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Thanks for the answer, SSG. I don't buy into that West Point hoopla I here about some of my fellow West Pointers. I just hope I end up with someone as eager to teach as I am to learn.
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