Honorable discharges for PT failures?

I think some soldiers may well be using it to get out of the army, I think 'how did they get past basic? I passed my PT test ON THE LAST DAY...but I passed it, I ended up getting a waiver or whatever you call it where I walked for my PT test but still did the push ups and sit ups. BUT I STILL DID THEM...perhaps if these people really did/do not want to be enlisted, then perhaps they can get out on a kind of hardship thing...sometimes one gets into something and then they realize, hey, this is not for me....

Reading through all these responses...I think most are forgetting something. If "they" like you...they will keep you. If they don't...yer toast. It happens at all levels. Also the PT program has been used as a force shaper. I have seen some excellent fat boys do some incredible work. Been retired for years now...but, still jump on here once in a while.

I have never seen anyone try to get chaptered out for that, then again the Reserves is not trying to shrink so I did not see any booted for it.

In all fairness, if soldiers aren't offered a chance to improve physically, who is at fault? If you are getting off at 8 or 9, have to be up at 0500 and your diet consists of what you can cook in your room, you are probably not going to see improvement.

We have to look at what a dishonorable discharge does to a person life on the outside of the military. Is it fair that a person is denied a job on the outside because they failed a pt test on the inside? I don't think it's that serious. I also don't agree that they should be able to use failing a pt test as a way to get out the military, but more research has to be done to sort those few out.

Other than honorable should suffice. They should lose all benefits related to service unless there was a medical reason prompting the weight gain (and/or PT failure). This is no different than pregnancy separations (If men cannot separate then women should not be able to. Paternal bonding is also important).

If they want out let them out or they will turn into a POS for the rest of their tour.

I think it depends, were it an actual injury that causes the failure and there is documentation then an honorable discharge should be permitted. However if the person is "faking" and caught, he should be courts marshaled for dereliction of duty and dishonorably discharged.

I was medical discharged but before I was super soldier nobody new my mos better then me scored 250 to 300 on pt tests then I got sick with chronic pancreatitis. Was told I was going to to die at age 20 I made e4 in 18 months. Returned to my unit and everyone shit on me till they needed my expertise in computers or fixing the radio or servers. Yet folks who could not tell one end of fiber cable to rj45 cable to what radio antenna started getting promoted while I was on profile I started questioning he army. I mean I spent time out of ait with special forces, marines supporting them everyone in my unit came to me or moved sight to sight to fix and get equipment up and running even while on profile. All my 1st and captain cared about was when I was getting off profile and pass pt test and go to air assault school. 6 months in ICU no phone call no visit from anyone in my chain especially after my comman sergeant major and colonel came to the hospital not to visit but to ask the doctor if I was fakining when I was yellow as lemon with my pancreas hanging out my side with 6 IV's and 2 central lines and my stomach being pumped. My military Dr told them they needed to get all my paperwork ready as I was going to die but if you think he faking gonin the room and look at him they took one step in I said you really think I am faking get the f out here before I beat you with my catherter bag and through all this pancreas fluid being pumped out of my body. 6 months return to my unit with 9 months convalescent leave and 9 months after that of rehab mind you went into hospital 205 pounds ripped came back to unit 90 pounds can count all my bones. Only thing said to me was you know you have been killing us on our stats for air assault and pt when will you be back to being soldier. Keep in mind my perment profile for the next year was 4 hour work day nothing more then lifting a phone. They tried to make my four day go from 6am to 12pm until my dr called command and said if you want him theirbat 6 am he better be done at 10am tried to say 90 minutes after pt did not count and also pt did not count because all I did was go to orderly room sit at the phone for an hour. Seriously when folks started calling me profile bitch but could not correctly splice fiber or rig up servers and other mod ewuipemnt as 31 romeo or 31 fox or any of 31 Sierra stuff that I knew. I even laughed my ass off when my own platoon sergeant and first sergeant did not even know how to run an old but new price of equipment that came to the unit the troposhoere equipment. After this I I started acting dumb even though while working in the ordely room I started going through the unit records and notice I had the highest asvab score and the highest gt scores also especially I found my e-5 promotion orders but sigend denied till after hospital stay. Was e-4 promotable for over a year after hospital stay but then was denied for profile. Then same dumb ass command made me first sgt driver and actually said spc Scott all my nco and other soldiers say you are super soldier if only he had his health but I do not buy it I am making you my driver to make your life miserable until your medical discharge. Basically my first 3 years was all good myblast year before discharge was misery. Sad thing was my medical discharge came before a deployment that's when command did not want to let me go. The two sad parts to my story when I joined wanted to do 20 plus years after injury could not wait to leave to get away from folks I may have had to stay away from in Iraq and Afghanistan because they would of got soldiers killed duento their stupidity. It just their always more to soldiers wanting out through pt discharge. Hell if I would of new I could got out with honorable would of buried profile and failed twice. My only other advice is make sure every injury is documented in medical file and make at least 10 certified copies. Why because as I am 100% disabled veteran but if you are injured like me and a shoe in it will disappear. I also think that is why my command was upset about my medical profile and discharge new I serve 4 years and get better pay as disabled then them doing 20 plus years and it tax free. Also since I was able to work when I got out my SSDI and va disability is better then basically captains and below retirement pay and it all tax free.

I think their enlistment should be annulled like a marriage that wasn't meant to be. No benefit, no liability.