Honorable discharges for PT failures?

Depends. There is that rare instance, and I personally know of ZERO just being optomistic, where a Soldier might have a condition that meets retention standards but fails the PT test with alternate events due to their "condition". Far fetched, yes, but "possible". Now on the other hand if the Soldier is fit and has no other excuse for failing besides being a turd, he/she should NOT receive an Honorable Discharge. Maybe a General would be more appropriate but that would be a whole different topic. Purposely failing a PT test to skate out is BS and is NOT Honorable in my opinion.

If you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are cheating then yes i agree. But there are those that are truly disabled and hurt after so many years of trying to stay fit for this test that they have no choice but to retire or leave and they should get not only honorable discharge but also a metal for destroying their bodies for this test!!

In the Marine Corps you are put in a
Training program. Sick Bay commandos are not tolerated. Advice would be don't embarrass yourself. Don't join

While I was in I got a general discharge because i failed my run of the other 3 times in a row.

Do you have evidence of dishonorable behavior? If you catch them committing fraud, then dishonorable discharge. But if the matter is simply that they cannot maintain standards, thank them for their service and send them on their way.

I'll agree to that. No one likes to do PT or PT tests. My husband has his coming up and he's got Seasonal Asthma. He gets it in the winter (I get it in the summer) and when he runs he feels like his lungs are collapsing and getting tighter and it's harder for him to breath. Does he give up? No. He wants to be the best he can be because he physically wants to be better. Every time. The guys that use (bad knee , bad back , a cold ) excuses to get out of PT tests is totally dishonorable. You have new boots or airman coming in and they watch and see what they can "pick up" for loopholes to get out of taking a PT test or get a passing grade on it. My husband sprained his Acl and MCL in a tour in 2014, he went to Therapy every week twice a week and still had to get a passing grade during a PT test. These new kids that are coming in they don't appreciate the groomed airmen that really take pride in their performance. So for them to dishonor their job and the requirements to obtain their position I agree. It should be dishonorable.

I was discharged as a pt failure and I can tell you now it was a very screwed up situation. I had back surgery in '10 and was made to take pt tests (tape only) every 3 weeks. Naturally bring swollen from the operation I never made tape. They demoted me and also forced me to wear all the gear required to perform my job (Security Forces/ MP). My doctors told my command that I was not to be wearing gear and no tape pt tests because of it. Is it fair that I was basically forced out by my leadership due to a medical condition before a medical board was convened? I don't think it is and because u was a above average troop, so I warrant a less than honorable discharge for pt failure?

I for lack of a better word I sucked at push ups.. I would rock my 2 mile run and sit-ups but I just could not do push ups. I was well within height weight and being only 5'6" and around 144 lbs. I was not discharged for failing my PT test but I was placed on restrictions and made to feel like I was a failure in the military. If my unit pushed I could have been discharged but I was disciplined and hard working. At the end of my service with the help of my leadership I was able to make my min maybe 1 or 2 more in the push ups. Quick note I never gave up in those 2 minutes I would keep pushing until the whistle sounded shacking and in pain. We need to be a Smart Military as much as a Strong one... If I can perform all my duties and fit the height weight then how much should the PT count for?

This is a huge problem expecially in the NG, P.T failure that is. As with any job if you could not meet the standards to keep that job you would be fired, only in the military can you keep it because "we need the numbers" game. I have felt that you should enter be able to leave until you pass though far fetched and unrealistic. To the point I think that this is a very good idea, unless for medical reasons it is fiscally impossible for you to pass.

This is all about opinion and how your outlook is on it. We soldiers often get tunnel vision on PT Failures/Non Performers, and label them as S**tbags in our minds. We're all guilty of it.

I always try to keep from thinking that, and instead focus on what could be going on. Maybe just cause it doesn't appear they're trying hard, doesn't mean they aren't giving it there all. I mean after all, they are out there doing it, out of breathe and sweating their ass off. Just some people find out the Army lifestyle isn't for them. It sucks sometimes cause there's a lot of great assets in these people that the military would benefit a lot more from, than the 300 PT Golden Child of the plt/company, who can run fast and knock out push ups but not know when to return fire or how to operate equipment.

Now obviously, If the PT lacking soldier doesn't care then yes, kick him out with nothing to go with him. But for the soldiers who do try but just aren't army material, then I think they deserve a little separation goodies.