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If soldiers want out let them out. The army keeps talking about cutting the force so what is the issue. Any veteran should know Washington looks at the military as an expense, and with that how many soldiers, sailors, marines,and airmen. The way I believe Washington should look at it has to do with the quality of our force in uniform, having said that I agree get rid of the dead weight, and if that means a Soldier who fails the APFT or height and weight continually let them out. My suggestion will allow that SGT who can not get promoted to SSG because of a 750 plus cutoff score to stay in and be productive instead of a Specialist staying in 5 years continually having issues with standards and having to be escorted by an NCO taking away from mission. We need to get away from begging Soldiers to do their jobs and making excuses to keep marginal Soldiers in because the Army wants to keep young Soldiers and get rid of veteran Soldiers. Yes getting rid of veteran Soldiers will give the military less cost paying for retirement but keeping a bunch of dead weight Specialist who could care less about mission is just a waste to tax payer money.
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I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE REMEDIAL PT UNTIL THEY PASS IT. I THINK THAT IT IS A BIG COP OUT TO GET OUT. WEEKEND SHOULD BE THERE TIME IF THEY PASS THERE PT TEST. IF NOT THEY SHOULD PT DOING UNTIL THEY PASS IT.
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I think they should get a General: OTH discharge. Because one of the Army requirements is to maintain physical fitness, and stay up to standard. If the soldier fails to do so, then they need to be put out. I won't say Dishonorable, and screw them on the outside. After all, the military is not for everyone. But they certainly should not get Honorable, if they cannot even maintain the Standard.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SPC (Join to see) - the only two options for Administrative Discharges are Honorable and General Under Honorable.
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CSM Mike Maynard, perhaps that is something else we should look into implementing then? Because I think an Honorable Discharge would only encourage people to sandbag their way out, but a Dishonorable could potentially ruin an otherwise decent soldier in their life outside the military.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SPC (Join to see) - I agree with you wholeheartedly. In fairness to those that meet the standard, we can't give them the same discharge as those that don't meet the standards. When we chapter someone, the time it takes to replace them is detrimental readiness and so, we have to dissuade folks from just "quitting" with no repercussions. I know, in our unit, generally, you received a General Under Honorable (the lowest discharge) for administrative chapters and less favorable discharges for misconduct, drugs, etc - OTH, etc.
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Do you have any concept what a dishonorable discharge does to a person? Their future careers?How about you go educate yourself before you punish people for simple failure. Why does it have to be punitive at all? People have just been discharge for the good of the service for decades, what's changed to make it a punishable offense?
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Ralph Watkins - First, an APFT discharge is not punitive, it is administrative. You cannot receive a dishonorable for APFT failure, only Honorable and General Under Honorable.
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If they don't want in then you rotate them out, I wouldn't want that guy next to me on a patrol in Afghanastan. A general is red flag enough IMO.
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Do you know the ramifications of a dishonorable discharge? That gets applications put into the same pile with felons. You basically ruin them for not being able to run, do sit ups or push ups. Seems a little extreme to me.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SPC (Join to see) - you are correct. That's why it's not allowed. APFT failures can only get Honorable and General Under Honorable.
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Is failing a PT test dishonorable? I can assure you that all who have served in uniform have failed to meet the standard at some point. Using your logic, none of us should receive honorable discharges.
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CSM Mike Maynard
LTC (Join to see) - no one cant get a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge for APFT failure. Not an option. Only Honorable and General Under Honorable.
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we handled this a bit different , as some soldiers just can't make the standard we offered them help. anyone failing to meet 85% score were automatically enrolled in remedial PT.... they got smoked hard.... the ones who wanted to pass excelled ,and the ones who wanted out they made sure they were never on the remedial list again.
funny we had 1 guy try for a section 8 mentally unfit.....they were going to give it to him, but with all the testing and delays his paper work never came through until the day before he was to ETS
funny we had 1 guy try for a section 8 mentally unfit.....they were going to give it to him, but with all the testing and delays his paper work never came through until the day before he was to ETS
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I am seeing it happen first hand. It is the same as welfare fraud. Taxpayers getting scammed and its legal because our government fails to use any common sense 100% of the time.
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Putting everyone's egos aside I'm honestly curious the discharge given for multiple pt failures. Or who's discretion for what kind of discharge you get?
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