Posted on Mar 20, 2017
How can I change my date of rank (DOR)? Does my DOR restart after switching from NG to Active Duty?
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I was National guard for a year and switched officially in May 2016, I left for basic on active orders Nov 2015 and have been active duty since (i switched immediatly after AIT) My DOR restarted and says may but my BASD says NOV. is there a way to change that? Does everything restart? I am still not getting promoted and have been e2 for 20 months now.
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Your date of rank is when you entered active duty, except in your case where you came from the reserve component. In your case, your date of rank can be adjusted.
Your Career Counselor or S1 can do a DA1506 to correct your BASD or PEBD if they are wrong. Once those are correct, your S1 can conduct an eMilpo transaction for your date of rank.
Once your date of rank is changed and your rank is corrected, you'll receive the back pay owed for the time you should have been an E3.
Your Career Counselor or S1 can do a DA1506 to correct your BASD or PEBD if they are wrong. Once those are correct, your S1 can conduct an eMilpo transaction for your date of rank.
Once your date of rank is changed and your rank is corrected, you'll receive the back pay owed for the time you should have been an E3.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
SFC (Join to see) - Sergeant the PEBD date can and does change. For instance.
If I came in 11/22/88 got out 01-15-92, then returned to service 10-1-1995 that is 3 years, 8 months, 17 days including the end date.
I returned to service 10-01-1995 that would have changed my PEBD date to 08-09-1992. I got out of service 03-01-2003.
Returned to service 09-01-2010, break in service of 7 years 6 months. New PEBD Date 02-10-2000.
I have 17 years, 1 month, 12 days in service for retirement points. Now as I was saying my BASD is still 11/22/1988. That is when I was at 30 reception Battalion at Ft Benning. Thanks Giving Weekend, it sucked!
If she signed the papers and her PEBD date (I don't know exact date) 01-01-2016, because she started drilling at her HS, then that would stay the same considering she entered the service that date. Upon entering Basic, let's say 03-01-2016 then that would be her BASD, now if she changed contract to Active component during basic, nothing should change. Unless the DOR because of changing components. If that is the case time would start on DOR when she changed components. If I understand this the way it happened to me.
If I came in 11/22/88 got out 01-15-92, then returned to service 10-1-1995 that is 3 years, 8 months, 17 days including the end date.
I returned to service 10-01-1995 that would have changed my PEBD date to 08-09-1992. I got out of service 03-01-2003.
Returned to service 09-01-2010, break in service of 7 years 6 months. New PEBD Date 02-10-2000.
I have 17 years, 1 month, 12 days in service for retirement points. Now as I was saying my BASD is still 11/22/1988. That is when I was at 30 reception Battalion at Ft Benning. Thanks Giving Weekend, it sucked!
If she signed the papers and her PEBD date (I don't know exact date) 01-01-2016, because she started drilling at her HS, then that would stay the same considering she entered the service that date. Upon entering Basic, let's say 03-01-2016 then that would be her BASD, now if she changed contract to Active component during basic, nothing should change. Unless the DOR because of changing components. If that is the case time would start on DOR when she changed components. If I understand this the way it happened to me.
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SGT Bryon Sergent - I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Her PEBD is whatever it is. I'm aware of how to calculate a PEBD/BASD.
My point is that her PEBD needs to be updated prior to the emilpo transaction to correct her date of rank.
Computing PEBD/BASD is the very first thing that every Career Counselor learns in the basic course.
My point is that her PEBD needs to be updated prior to the emilpo transaction to correct her date of rank.
Computing PEBD/BASD is the very first thing that every Career Counselor learns in the basic course.
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What about a E-5 who transitions to active duty far as DOR change can that be corrected to the exact date of rank.
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SGT (Join to see) AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotions and Reductions has all the answers for date of rank questions
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You're going to have two different dates now. I was in the Reserves and then went active. I put a service stripe on six months before a Good Conduct Medal. It looked odd to many people, but it was all within regulations. I think your date of rank is when you entered onto active duty. I was a PFC in the Reserves and dropped down to a PV2 when I went active.
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SSG Laurie Mullen
SPC (Join to see) - When you go from the Reserves or the Guard you get dropped down to whatever you left IET with. Unless of course you negotiated something else in your contract. I was on the Split-Option Program, I was promoted to PV2 before I went to AIT. Since I came out of AIT as a PV2, that's the rank that I entered onto active duty with. I went through another AIT and then six months after I got to my first duty station I was double waivered to PFC. The S1 OIC is correct, the 4187 for your promotion in the Guard is not good for active duty. Check your contract or LES for your adjusted BASD.
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SSG Laurie Mullen
MSgt (Join to see) - That's not completely correct MSgt. The active duty time, in my case it was just IET, counts towards retirement and the few points earned while attending drills and AT. I went to basic training on 29 June 83 and entered onto active duty in the spring of 86. I retired on 1 November 2005 with 20 years, 1 month, and 8 days.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
They Are 2 different dates. If she entered Basic on lets say July That is the BASD date. PEBD is when she served her first drill and was actively in the unit in RSP. I have 2 Breaks in service, My PEBD date has change 3 times. The BASD is the same, 1988. My PEBD is for retirement and is reflected as 2-10-2000. My BASD Is 11-22-1988. That is also so for retirement purposes(among others), I fall in under the retirement plan of that year and will retire at my PEBD date of 02-10-2020.
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SSG Laurie Mullen
All time served whether it is active duty, reserve or inactive under mandatory enlistment count for pay for retirement. The DD Form 214 is a summary of a soldier's most recent period of continuous active duty not total service. You should receive and NGB-22 for guard service. Reservists receive DD Form 256 Honorable Discharge Certificate upon separation.
All time served whether it is active duty, reserve or inactive under mandatory enlistment count for pay for retirement. The DD Form 214 is a summary of a soldier's most recent period of continuous active duty not total service. You should receive and NGB-22 for guard service. Reservists receive DD Form 256 Honorable Discharge Certificate upon separation.
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The National Guard discharge document is known as NGB-22 and you won't get credit for serving in the Guard without it. For all intents and purposes, it is exactly like the DD214-the NGB-22 shows the nature of your discharge, time served and other critical information a recruiter would need to process your enlistment. Also Inactive duty for training does not qualify as active-duty service.
For retirement pay calculations all time served is counted.
For retirement pay calculations all time served is counted.
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When you go from Reserves or Guard and switch to Active Duty, your DOR and your PEBD will get changed. MEPS has a mathematical equation they use to recalculate them.
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I started out AF Reserve.. before I went in I had AFJROTC and while in Training I did by-pass for skill level. I graduated as A1C-E3, when I got to my unit I got started on snd achieved my next skill level within 3-1/2 months. The next spring a sitrep occurred and several Reserve had been asked if they'd like to go active, I went for it and lost no rank.. no time-in-grade..
Later I had a few probs, but they got straightened out(it happened at my new duty station). S'body in promotions must of thought I was much too young to be promoted to Sgt. (Sr. Amn didn't start until
About '74 or '75). Like I said, e'thing got straightened out and my new date of rank was moved earlier. And my pay got straightened too..
Too bad about your sitrep.. somebody gets their trip messed with somewhere along the line, Mine did some too. Hopefully your sitrep improves soon !
Study to improve and step up to the plate and they hopefully will see that you're not letting adversity get in your way..
Later I had a few probs, but they got straightened out(it happened at my new duty station). S'body in promotions must of thought I was much too young to be promoted to Sgt. (Sr. Amn didn't start until
About '74 or '75). Like I said, e'thing got straightened out and my new date of rank was moved earlier. And my pay got straightened too..
Too bad about your sitrep.. somebody gets their trip messed with somewhere along the line, Mine did some too. Hopefully your sitrep improves soon !
Study to improve and step up to the plate and they hopefully will see that you're not letting adversity get in your way..
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Will do. Thank you. I'm hoping it gets straighted out! And definitely noted! I will keep studying. Thank you!
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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I know you're on the bottom rung of the ladder.. when you can go to library or even the exchange (I'm AF and happened to.be Temp duty at Fort Lee, VA and I came scross some Army leadership books and they were marked down for quick sale, so I got them..
what better to learn about my brothers in arms than to read how they lead(style of leadership).. you. Could do the same at base Library.. good leaders start out by being good followers.. I don't remember where or when I heard that in my early years. Another axiom is "lead by example".. just because your detail is finished help a brother or sister troop get their project/detail finished ("would you like some help with that?" Ask first, some get testy and want to do it themselves). If they refuse, at least you asked !.. so if their dragging that holds the
Whole platoon or squad back. Let others hear you do that too.. and they'll know you asked, too. You go in the public area(dayroom) and see it kind of sloppy, take the initiative and straighten it up.. of course if s'one else is there and has a cup or plate or bag... ask if they're done and offer to discard it or put a magazine back in the rack.
Show you have pride in what the public area looks like.. somebody in a leadership position may see you doing it and ask if that's your detail, ( "No SSG, it was not looking right, and I thought it needed straightening up".. ). Hopefully they'll say s'thing appreciative, get your name and pass it on up the ladder.. the right people up the ladder hear of you doing good things may consider you the right person to do /lead a special detail because they think you'd be trusted to do it right. You've heard of the
"Never volunteer"? When I was a young A1C, I overheard that a back dock area on the adjoining DH(it was the bake kitchen dock) needed straightening and some stuff got rid of, old crippled hand cart.. so I took it up and spent a good day cleaning it. Moving the barrels and I seen the cart only needed a new wheel assembly.. so I seen another that was worse.. it had two crippled wheels.. I got it and took off a wheel that was still good and fixed that other cart and cleaned it got the dock scrubbed up really good .. had it real professional looking. Went in and let them know it was done.. and asked if anything else needed done. Somebody said they're gonna get you all the time, just wait and see.. yep, it happened.. the dayroom carpeting.. it was supposed to be torn out
For new carpeting, only thing was the new carpeting was delayed two weeeks, so the old one needed cleaning.. So I went around and got baking soda and vinegar and the buffer and put the corn-broom scrubber brush on it. Spread the baking- soda
Solution with a mop and got the scrubber going.. meanwhile , duty Sgt. Got a carpet cleaner outfit from billeting and I used it to get the water out of the carpet.. another kinda long job . They said I got stains out that they've tried before to remove.. "baking soda and vinegar" I told them .. we got all the furniture back in and set up.. 1st asked me what could they do for me.. "Well there's a TDY in Germany coming up, I'd like to go on.. ", "Let me see what I can do about that!" He was good, I got it And went over
and worked inflight kitchen on their end..
I asked "what are you giving them?" (It was a CAM :Combat Airlift Mission)"Box lunches !" "Seriously? Look at the regs ..
I got them out and showed them and we got the pallets set up for inflight combat rats.
A MSG. came in and asked what was the deal about giving ICRs.. I showed him the Regs.. He threw up his hands and left..
Later a CSGM came in .. asking where his box lunches were.. The SSG was back by then and he handled the CSGM..Airman* Herrst would you get me the Food Service Reg regarding CAMs and ICRs... I got them and took it over to them.. Then he looked up at me and stared a few minutes.. "what are you doing here?.." "TDY, working inflight
SGT. Major!" "Are you trying to make my life a living hell, Airman?" He asked.. "No, Sgt. Major, you appear to be doing an excellent job of that yourself!"... He left..
anyway, my TDY was done after 2 months..
CSGM had Togo to the hospital.. "I found it had to do with an A1C over at inflight that had purposely traveled to Germany to make life a living hell for him.. hmm.. wonder who could that have been.. I had heard later that he made life like hell for those that served under him.. like the saying goes: "what goes around, comes around!".. You can make the regulations for you.. so learn them, ok?..
* just like in the Army a PV1 up through pfc can be called private, An AB, Amn or A1C or Senior Airman can be called Airman.
I know you're on the bottom rung of the ladder.. when you can go to library or even the exchange (I'm AF and happened to.be Temp duty at Fort Lee, VA and I came scross some Army leadership books and they were marked down for quick sale, so I got them..
what better to learn about my brothers in arms than to read how they lead(style of leadership).. you. Could do the same at base Library.. good leaders start out by being good followers.. I don't remember where or when I heard that in my early years. Another axiom is "lead by example".. just because your detail is finished help a brother or sister troop get their project/detail finished ("would you like some help with that?" Ask first, some get testy and want to do it themselves). If they refuse, at least you asked !.. so if their dragging that holds the
Whole platoon or squad back. Let others hear you do that too.. and they'll know you asked, too. You go in the public area(dayroom) and see it kind of sloppy, take the initiative and straighten it up.. of course if s'one else is there and has a cup or plate or bag... ask if they're done and offer to discard it or put a magazine back in the rack.
Show you have pride in what the public area looks like.. somebody in a leadership position may see you doing it and ask if that's your detail, ( "No SSG, it was not looking right, and I thought it needed straightening up".. ). Hopefully they'll say s'thing appreciative, get your name and pass it on up the ladder.. the right people up the ladder hear of you doing good things may consider you the right person to do /lead a special detail because they think you'd be trusted to do it right. You've heard of the
"Never volunteer"? When I was a young A1C, I overheard that a back dock area on the adjoining DH(it was the bake kitchen dock) needed straightening and some stuff got rid of, old crippled hand cart.. so I took it up and spent a good day cleaning it. Moving the barrels and I seen the cart only needed a new wheel assembly.. so I seen another that was worse.. it had two crippled wheels.. I got it and took off a wheel that was still good and fixed that other cart and cleaned it got the dock scrubbed up really good .. had it real professional looking. Went in and let them know it was done.. and asked if anything else needed done. Somebody said they're gonna get you all the time, just wait and see.. yep, it happened.. the dayroom carpeting.. it was supposed to be torn out
For new carpeting, only thing was the new carpeting was delayed two weeeks, so the old one needed cleaning.. So I went around and got baking soda and vinegar and the buffer and put the corn-broom scrubber brush on it. Spread the baking- soda
Solution with a mop and got the scrubber going.. meanwhile , duty Sgt. Got a carpet cleaner outfit from billeting and I used it to get the water out of the carpet.. another kinda long job . They said I got stains out that they've tried before to remove.. "baking soda and vinegar" I told them .. we got all the furniture back in and set up.. 1st asked me what could they do for me.. "Well there's a TDY in Germany coming up, I'd like to go on.. ", "Let me see what I can do about that!" He was good, I got it And went over
and worked inflight kitchen on their end..
I asked "what are you giving them?" (It was a CAM :Combat Airlift Mission)"Box lunches !" "Seriously? Look at the regs ..
I got them out and showed them and we got the pallets set up for inflight combat rats.
A MSG. came in and asked what was the deal about giving ICRs.. I showed him the Regs.. He threw up his hands and left..
Later a CSGM came in .. asking where his box lunches were.. The SSG was back by then and he handled the CSGM..Airman* Herrst would you get me the Food Service Reg regarding CAMs and ICRs... I got them and took it over to them.. Then he looked up at me and stared a few minutes.. "what are you doing here?.." "TDY, working inflight
SGT. Major!" "Are you trying to make my life a living hell, Airman?" He asked.. "No, Sgt. Major, you appear to be doing an excellent job of that yourself!"... He left..
anyway, my TDY was done after 2 months..
CSGM had Togo to the hospital.. "I found it had to do with an A1C over at inflight that had purposely traveled to Germany to make life a living hell for him.. hmm.. wonder who could that have been.. I had heard later that he made life like hell for those that served under him.. like the saying goes: "what goes around, comes around!".. You can make the regulations for you.. so learn them, ok?..
* just like in the Army a PV1 up through pfc can be called private, An AB, Amn or A1C or Senior Airman can be called Airman.
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