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I had a discussion today with a friend where I vented about wasteful spending. I have a major issue with the processes and procedures that lead to huge wastes of taxpayer money. With our national deficit through the roof and our budgets restrained, our management of spending is now more important than ever. What areas can we improve upon to maximize the resources we are given? If anyone can show the break down of where the spending goes, I would love to see it.
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LTC Ed Ross
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Lots of good observations here, but it all boils down to one three-headed problem. War fighters chase ultimate capabilities. Defense industry chases ultimate profits. Members of Congress chase votes. In our capitalistic society we are never going to change that. What we can do is chose top level leaders in the department of defense who chase the optimum, not the ultimate.
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The people in the Puzzle palace, fueled by CONgresspeople bought by lobbyists, keep buying bad acquisition programs that the military doesn't want or need, and good programs are shredded. So we have the F22 and the LCS, but only 3 Elmo Zumwalt Destroyers (oh and the Elmo's were designed to protect the LCS which are limited in self defense capabilities...)

Then there are the corrupt contracting officers such as what happened in the Pacific, and horribly inefficient Defense Contractors and Shipyards that have huge delays and cost over-runs on most of their programs. The DOD pays for the overages, instead of charging the contractors penalties. Of course a lot of that comes from constant change orders and redesigns on the part of DOD...

I'm not a contracting officer or an Engineering Duty Officer, and I don't have a Wharton MBA, but I can see all this - why can't DOD and CONgress?
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Yup... The Russians also copied the 727, but their Yaks couldn't really stay in the air...
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BTW, Maj William Gambrell wasn't the F22 an unwanted plane, forced on the USAF? Sort of the way they don't want the A10, but they're forced to have it too?
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LCDR Rabbi Jaron Matlow - Negative, the CSAF and SECAF were fired on the same day because they tried to hide money to procure more F-22s many years ago.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification and history...
PO2 Steven Erickson
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Make contractors EAT the overruns that are NOT directly caused by changes to specifications provided by the military.

In my consulting world, that's the standard for us. If SCOPE OF WORK (SOW) is changed by the client, then we get more (or less) money in the budget. If no change in SOW, we better get the work done on budget, or we EAT the loss. I can guarantee that the Ford-Class would NOT cost $13 billion each if the shipyards were eating the overruns.

Simple... on paper... impossible with lobbyists and - as LCDR Rabbi Jaron Matlow stated - CONgress.

But ANY step in that direction would be an improvement.
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There is a big push to fix price more contracts but it's just too risky for most contractors in a R&D environment or Low Rate Initial Production.
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How can the military become more fiscally responsible?
LT Carl Martin
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I think the question and the responses provided are out of sync. How can the military become more fiscally responsible? Think about it. The military, the operators, the point end of the spear are as fiscally responsible as possible. They operate given the budget they have within the parameters, or ground rules they are held accountable toward. They provide feedback on our weapon systems, publications, training. For the most part they perform as expected. It's our DoD acquisition system and the administration's inability to pass a budget that impacts our procurement programs the most, thus driving up costs and delay in schedules. Aircraft programs go on for years before we see the first aircraft in the fleet. The majority of the aircraft are built with leading edge technology that takes time and effort to flush out all the capabilities. Many times what the government buys turns out to be hard to achieve thus requiring more investment to solve in order to field a safe and reliable item. Not having an approved budget each year delays the start of new contracts which cost additional money later on in the development. The administration and Congress changing the plan of quantity of items to be procured, drives up procurement costs, drives off sets in supply chain requirements. For the most part contractors do their best to deliver their products as the contract requires. Otherwise, they would not be in this business. However, I believe the government needs to take charge and ownership of the procurement process and stop relying on the contractor to do everything. The government needs to act as the Prime System Integrator (PSI) vice relying on contractor to do so. More organic repair capability needs to be developed, more technical data needs to be procured, the job of obsolescence management (DMSMS) needs to be lead by the government and not the contractor. I base my comments on my experience of over 20 years military service, 10 years as a defense contractor and the last 9 years as a government employee in acquisition management, specifically sustainment.
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Well said.
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I agree with the concept but doubt the Government's ability to effectively manage and integrate a major systems acquisition. Most of the attempts have met in disaster. A contractor typically runs their business much cleaner than the Government does.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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The only way to control the budget is to stick to it.
Why if a contractor is over budget do we pay more, the agreed price for example is $10 million and this is what the contractor said it will cost to do everything. So once the contractor goes over $10 million its on the contractor to make up the deficit not the taxpayers.
If a contractor says that it will take 8 months to complete a project then once your at 8 months and 1 day the contractor should not receive one more cent and should actually be fined for each day that they go over the agreed contract, the only exceptions would be unavoidable acts of nature such as earthquakes, hurricanes / typhoons or things of that nature.
Our government seems to have no problem overpaying for a contractor to perform duties that should be done for half the cost or in half the time and once it goes over budget and over time, Uncle Sam just opens up the check book and gives away blank checks.
Until we can control the corruption from our elected leaders we will never see a budget being adhered to.
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Carter is pushing hard for Fixed Priced Incentive Firm type contracts which are good middle grounds, but how do you fix price something that hasn't ever been done before?
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PO2 Angelika Laist
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If we trained our own people to do the contractors jobs we would ultimately pay less, keep it in-house, and broaden our readiness. But since the Military is more run like a corporation now i suppose that will never happen
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Some yes I agree, most no, The Air force simple can't train engineers to the same level that Boeing's engineers have developed over their corporate history. Also contract arrangements are more flexible. Using a existing car manufacturing line to produce a HMMWV for a few years is far more efficient than having the Government keep up a manufacturing line that is only uses 1/3rd of the time.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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CPT Jaren Glover, while I do understand what you said I cannot fully agree with it. If I tell you I want a multi mission fighter jet that has to be adaptable to changes and equipment / technology upgrades over the years and you tell me its going to cost me $100 million and I sign a contract with you then why am I liable when you fall behind on producing my new age jet? Why am I liable when you spend more than is in the overall budget? I do understand that if I tell you that now I want to upgrade to a more powerful engine, you have a responsibility to tell me that its going to cost me say an additional $10 million to do so and if I agree then the $10 million is added, if not then your still required to stay within your original $100 million budget.
I do understand that when something has never been built before that its hard to estimate costs and that's why you figure in say 10% for your cushion.
If you say its going to cost X amount of dollars then, because you are the "experts" I am putting my faith in your expert ability to give me an accurate estimate.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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A simple google search would answer your questions, Here is a good place to start. http://cagw.org/reporting/pig-book
The Abrahams tank program, bio-fuels, grants, school systems in the CONUS, when public schools are available, for a few starters.
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Thanks for the article.
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PO2 Angelika Laist
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OMG, don't even get me started! Having worked in logistics for 14 years let me see all the waste! It's disgusting and irresponsible!
First off, the end of the fiscal year spending needs to stop. " To get a bigger budget next year" is an excuse that is long overdue to be thrown in the trash! Repairable items need to be properly cleaned, packaged and brought to facilities that either recycle them or repair them. I have seen too much stuff being thrown overboard. Carriers not so much, but the small Navy does that a lot. As if our waters weren't polluted enough! Repairable funding should be openly available, but since people don't like to do their maintenance and just fix stuff when it breaks, they need grants on a whim. Everything could be better scheduled if it wasn't Jerry-rigged so much. Hazardous Materials are over-bought because forecasting reports are not being worked, painting should be scheduled to keep proper amounts of paint on-board. painting the whole ship in 2 days because the Admiral may come to visit does not constitute for a bigger paint budget. The list goes on..............
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CWO3 Randy Weston
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Rebuilding a Main Diesel engine at the cost of $3 mil, so that we can come into port for decommissioning on all 6 mains. My last hoorah!
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The easiest way ( and most unpopular) is to cut pensions and save a third of our budget. We literally could keep our capabilities. A lot of companies cut their pension programs after the Financial Accounting Standards Board forced disclosure of Pension expense for corporate financial statements. I don't see why the federal government is any special.

Another unpopular way is to change PPBEs. The joint chiefs, combatant commanders,Council of Colonels all sit around an ouija board to predict the future threats. They shoot it down to a bunch of bean counters who cost and program it. Then, they go beg to congress for money. The DoD plans their expenses and gets revenues. But if you reverse it and plan from revenues then you have more pressure to scrutinize all your programs.

Today, the ongoing way since the 90s is FIAR or financial improvement and audit readiness. It includes a bunch of mandatory training, ERP development, and "cost culture " initiatives from a bunch of management consultants at the pentagon. I'm not exactly sure how effective it is if DoD keep doing the same thing we did in the 60s. But, the DoD is more damned if they did not do it. Believe it or not, their DoD fantasy is all the S-4s , bean counters, and commanders doing Cost Benefit Analysis, variance analysis, and balanced scorecards. Don't laugh.

Finally, this is a stretch but you could hold the DoD more accountable by expanding the definition of fraud. Common law says fraud needs intent, damages, and reliance against material false statement. Some courts have translated breach of fiduciary duty as fraud. Well, in government who suffers damages when there is cost overrun? nobody. What if a competing program could press charges against another program for something that had less cost benefit? You count that as damages and file an injunction against the manager. Accountants joke that they would get arrested if they did stuff in government for a corporation. Why not change it and let everyone get arrested?
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Yep getting rid of the retirement benefit will save a lot of money, but who would stay in if there was no retirement. I love doing what I can for my country but I don't expect many would be willing to sacrifice their lives and health for the paltry pay senior NCO's receive.
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SPC David S.
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Part of the problem is that the Defense Department takes on Congressional and in some cases Presidential obligations without having a win strategy. I present this as the majority of the military's budget is spent in three areas - operations, personal and weapons procurement. By not having a complete plan with a never ending exit strategy from a project management perspective there are going to serious delays and over runs do to the mismanagement. Imagine that the military was ordered to build a building - yet they are giving no budget or blueprint. Yet the foreman - the Pentagon - goes ahead and breaks ground and just starts building.

In that environment it would be impossible to monitor the progress using any project management tools such as the S-curve. There are no due dates, no monetary values assigned in the work breakdown structure and worst of all no defined deliverables. The Pentagon is to blame for not demanding a clear objective from congress - win the war, nation building or support. However as Congress writes the checks as well as sign off on promotions I really don't see senior leaders pressing the Congress for defined objectives.
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Get rid of the mandate to purchase from certain places such as "GSA Advantage" and "Lighthouse for the Blind" which charge 5x as much for the exact same product and take months to arrive. Perfect example: A while back, I was in charge of the computers in my squadron and had a shop that needed a new printer. The requester chose one from BestBuy that cost $250, and could have been picked up that day. It was shot down because "BestBuy" isn't one of the "authorized" places to purchase printers from. We ended up getting the exact same printer from the cheapest "authorized" place, spent over $2,000 and waited 3 months for it to arrive. Once it arrived, we discovered it was refurbished, and didn't even come with the cables. We had to purchase those separately, for another $200, and wait for them to arrive.

This crap happens all the time. I realize this isn't as much money as the waste on planes and buildings.... but it does add up, and quickly.
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