Posted on Dec 19, 2015
How can we get a federal concealed carry for our service members and veterans?
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http://www.channel3000.com/news/police-respond-to-report-of-shots-fired-at-east-towne-mall/37047430
Once again the liberal left leaves us vulnerable and another shooting occurred. Here at the mall where my family has been shopping we had a shooting just one hour ago 15:00 19DEC15.
The letter of the law states that no weapons are allowed inside the mall. This means I had to take my weapon off my hip each time and leave it in the car. It defeats the purpose! Today, yet again, it defeated the purpose. So do these cowardly civilians believe signs are going to reach out and keep people safe? Maybe the fat mall renta-cops that couldn't get into the military or the police academy will do better than the signs. Again, no. Criminals don't give a crap about the damn signs other than knowing they can go into these "gun-free" zones and open season like the railroad days and the buffalo massacres.
We need to be able to put a stop to this. Maybe normal civilians should have some reasonable restrictions. However, I know that I was not the only service member around out of the thousands of people out there shopping for the holiday. I also know that we deserve a different standard, because we are not the same as civilians, even after ETS. It's a hard pill to swallow since everyone these days gets a participation trophy, but it's a fact.
So how do we get legislation passed to get a federal concealed carry for soldiers and veterans? I suggest we both go through specialized training and get certification before we do. Perhaps the certification should allow for us to be trained and certified as reserve deputy LEOs. We've been called out in places like Baltimore and Ferguson anyway.
One thing I know is that my weapon will not come off my hip unless I am at a courthouse, or an airport. My life and the life of my family come first, before any law of lesser power than the constitution. So should yours.
Once again the liberal left leaves us vulnerable and another shooting occurred. Here at the mall where my family has been shopping we had a shooting just one hour ago 15:00 19DEC15.
The letter of the law states that no weapons are allowed inside the mall. This means I had to take my weapon off my hip each time and leave it in the car. It defeats the purpose! Today, yet again, it defeated the purpose. So do these cowardly civilians believe signs are going to reach out and keep people safe? Maybe the fat mall renta-cops that couldn't get into the military or the police academy will do better than the signs. Again, no. Criminals don't give a crap about the damn signs other than knowing they can go into these "gun-free" zones and open season like the railroad days and the buffalo massacres.
We need to be able to put a stop to this. Maybe normal civilians should have some reasonable restrictions. However, I know that I was not the only service member around out of the thousands of people out there shopping for the holiday. I also know that we deserve a different standard, because we are not the same as civilians, even after ETS. It's a hard pill to swallow since everyone these days gets a participation trophy, but it's a fact.
So how do we get legislation passed to get a federal concealed carry for soldiers and veterans? I suggest we both go through specialized training and get certification before we do. Perhaps the certification should allow for us to be trained and certified as reserve deputy LEOs. We've been called out in places like Baltimore and Ferguson anyway.
One thing I know is that my weapon will not come off my hip unless I am at a courthouse, or an airport. My life and the life of my family come first, before any law of lesser power than the constitution. So should yours.
Gun Control
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I am Former Air Force "Security Police", with 12 years in, six years active and six years active reserve, I was required to have a minimum of 10 years in an actual Law Enforcement position to get MY LEOSA, which I got in July 2015. It required many hoops to jump through, and FBI Fingerprinting and complete FBI, background investigation, then I had to qualify on my weapon with the county Sheriff's Dept. that I live in. My LEOSA ID is good for five years and the Sheriff's Firearms Certification is done yearly. The whole thing did cost several hundred dollars to accomplish, but knowing I am FULLY legal in all 50 states is very reassuring and it was well worth the time, trouble and expense. I would be fine with the Law including ALL Veterans with ALL of the same standards, handgun training, background checks etc. that are involved. I feel we need more good Guys with guns out there on our streets I do think that the (Air Force) ten years requirement is a bit too much however.
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Didn't you get the memo? The answer is more and more gun restrictions! At least according to the Liberal Lefties.
Didn't you get the memo? The answer is more and more gun restrictions! At least according to the Liberal Lefties.
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I understand this is a sensitive and potentially controversial subject, as well as being outright opinionated. I obtained one of the first "Concealed Carry Weapon" (CCW) licenses issued in Arizona when they became available...more for the novelty than any practical consideration at the time. 16 hours mandatory classroom training and a trip out to the firing range...wonderful walk down memory lane and welcome practice for an old Army dog like me. I am and have always been opposed to a change in local law that removed the training requirement. That said, consider...those of you wishing to exercise your 'rights' under 'open carry.' Exactly who do you think is going to be the first target when a nutter opens fire in Walmart? Obviously, those who can be immediately seen to have a weapon. I applaud your sacrifice as that will provide me the time I need to run away or defend myself if necessary. I taught my children that life is a compass rose with 360 degrees. When trouble is standing in front of you...you have 359 other directions to go and I hope 180 degrees is your first choice. For all the rest - if you and I had been standing in that church in South Carolina when Dylann Roof opened fire, killing nine innocent, defenseless human beings, whose name would you be calling...God's, or mine? I am, obviously, a strong believer in self-defense. I have the practical experience of being a boots-on-the-ground combatant in three wars (Vietnam, Balkan, Iraq), so have both the mental competence and background to use good judgment in the use of my weapons. And for the record, I have documentary records demonstrating that I fired "Expert" on every weapon the Army placed in my hands, including helicopter gun ships. Signs on a business door won't stop violence, nor will they act to prevent me from being capable of defending myself, my family and friends. The first word in "CCW" is "concealed." What don't you understand about that?
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A1C Paul Cowan
Colonel, while I do applaud your service, as you certainly have a little more experience than I, three wars and all, and while you fired expert on all you were handed, the problem with "concealed" is two fold. I hate to sound retarded but even those carrying "concealed" can be seen by many who actually KNOW what to look for. Because the cut of clothes or some other thing gives them away. And if the bad guy or guys know what to look for, all the "Concealed" isn't going to stop them either.
The second problem is the same as the first, in terms of innocent people. While no expert on people, you realize that concealing is not as easy as it is made to appear or sound. And where are you going to conceal it? Ankle holster? I hate to tell you but if I find someone reaching for their ankle for a weapon during a situation, I might not be willing to take the other guys word that he is a good guy, are you? Or even behind the back or in a skeleton holster.
So, what to do about it? But it still doesn't address the REAL issue. How do we change the culture in this country that seems to be drifting back to the wild west?
The second problem is the same as the first, in terms of innocent people. While no expert on people, you realize that concealing is not as easy as it is made to appear or sound. And where are you going to conceal it? Ankle holster? I hate to tell you but if I find someone reaching for their ankle for a weapon during a situation, I might not be willing to take the other guys word that he is a good guy, are you? Or even behind the back or in a skeleton holster.
So, what to do about it? But it still doesn't address the REAL issue. How do we change the culture in this country that seems to be drifting back to the wild west?
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COL John Hudson
Paul, I applaud your response! Trust me, I have tried every single one of those so-called hidey-hole holsters. The ankle thing - as you say; worthless + cut off the circulation to my leg left me hobbling around in circles. The small of one's back? Sit down leaning back anywhere and that portion of your body will never let you forget it. And forget 'quick draw.' I'm days away from 69 years of age...more likely to drop it if I attempted any move like that. No, my first line of defense is my hands and feet (manly judo chop position held here for all to see)...then running away throwing my wallet and watch behind me!! I won't debate any aspect of where any person wishes to place their weapon. That's a strictly personal decision based on perception of the holder as to how they feel best able to defend themselves. And let's be honest here - there's only one Clint Eastwood, one Lone Ranger and I'm no Tonto! No, my weapon is placed where I can access it "IF and only IF" it is needed to protect myself against a potentially deadly encounter. No posturing, no chest thumping, and never ever displaying it for any reason other than what I just stated. No one ever knows when I have a weapon and I'll never tell anyone. For the record, no one has ever looked me up and down followed with "AH HA - there it is!" I take my responsibilities very seriously, dressing well and accordingly. All of that said, allow me to address the second aspect of your reply. We live in a cruel and pernicious world...easily confirmed by daily media headlines. Violence is inculcated into the human condition and has ever been so. Homo sapiens has been practicing genocide since the beginning when an individual, in a fit of sheer petulance, destroyed one fourth of the earth's population. That was the Cain & Able show (King James; Genesis), and it's been downhill ever since. I suppose that as long as there's two individuals left on this planet, they would find something to argue about...simple human nature.
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It may very well be time to leave this RP all together. As members of the various services, it is not our place to be so politically out spoken. Beyond that, I believe there are more retired or former service members than active duty, which also means we can be more free with our tongues. To turn this into a huge the Left said this and the Right said that argument is ridiculous and gives to much ink to the very problem. Everyone doing the "Old Potomac 2-Step" (sorry, had to use that one from Clear and Present Danger), should be fired, regardless of what side of the aisle they are on as they are the problem and are definitely NOT providing any solutions. Should there be national reciprocity - most definitely yes. As for the argument about standardized training, any one care to show me the standardized training to get a DL? Other than Red means stop and Green means go, pick any 2 states and you will find different rules. For the "you can walk in, buy something and walk out" argument, please support yourself as I do not know of any LEGITIMATE arms dealer with an FFL that does not make you wait for a back ground check. Personal, 1 off sales are a product of the state, so a federal reciprocity rule might very well help those of you that think all sales should be registered - think about it. As for CCL's, please tell me what state does not make you renew so I can get a license there, and before you say, yes there are states that do not require a CCL, but that is not what your argument was based on. Instead of being part of the problem, be part of the solution, do some real research, get ALL of the facts, then comment on how to fix the problem instead of continuing to add to it.
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If you are an Army Military or Civilian Police Officer there is under United States Code.
http://www.leosaarmy.com/
http://www.leosaarmy.com/
Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act: Leosa
The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons - the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired or separated law enforcement officer" - to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States or United States Territories, regardless of state or local laws, with certain exceptions.
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I am retired Air Force, retired LEO, and active with our sheriff's reserve. I was advised at Wright Patt in 2012 that I couldn't carry unless I was on official business. I haven't been to a base since then. I also don't see any big advantage of going to a base anyway. I'm doing quite well on the economy. Like American Express, I don't leave home without it. You ol guys will understand that.
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Disarming the armed forces is retarded. I cannot believe the inane almost subhuman population of neanderthals that fear the thunderstick as if it can strike down from the sky and kill any random person. They are likely the same population that call the psychic network and think the tarot cards will tell their futures.
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MSgt Doug Miller
Today is 10 Jun 16, and from what I saw of the video of a restaurant shooting in Israel this week anyone with a pistol could have stopped the shooters. This was surveillance video from the scene.
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This is a classic Catch-22 where you're damned if you do (violating a local law) and damned if you don't (defending against an active shooter empty-handed). I don't frequent businesses that promote 'no self-defense zones'. Period.
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Well that is a good question, and don't get frustrated thinking no one is trying to get it approved. This was a clip from last May. "WASHINGTON – The U.S. House passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the 2016 fiscal year on Friday, including an amendment that would allow military base commanders to authorize the concealed carry of firearms on military installations." Pull it up, do some research on who supported this and call them up. Or better yet call up the ones who didn't support it and give them a logical reason from your point of view. Just remember keep emotion out of it and be professional.
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I agree this is a major national concern. I also really like you, I do not take my firearm off unless I'm going into an area that by caring it will indeed put me in the risk to go to jail. Changes need to be made.
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what state do you live in? many states, the sign carries no weight of law. meaning its just a sign. in Washington state, the sign meant nothing, but if another person or employee found out you were carrying, they could ask you to leave. refusal to comply became criminal trespass. concealed means concealed. carry your damn pistol and know the laws. don't be a victim because of a stupid sign
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Cpl Bryan Tallmadge
also a WA resident, most employees dont agree with company or corporate regs on the subject so the chances of actually being asked to leave are low. Ive never been asked to leave, if i am i will NEVER step foot back in there mall or not..
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