Posted on Sep 18, 2017
How do I explain to enlisted soldiers that most cadets do not attend basic training (without coming off as arrogant)?
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It seems every time I get into a conversation with a soldier, the question, "have you already gone to basic?" or some other variant, comes up. How do I respectfully explain the differences between ROTC requirements and enlistment requirements?
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BLUF: The Army has different training (and roles) for officers. Plain and simple. I didn't make the rules and neither did you. It's just the way it is. When my guys would question why the Army's reason for doing it "that way", I'd tell them to go get commissioned, work your way up to General or SECDEF or whatever position you need to be to change the rules, and then change them. Until then, shut up.
Having been a prior enlisted Marine before commissioning, I could commiserate with my platoon about basic training. In fact, I would argue that Marine boot camp is harder than Army Basic Training. At least comparing then to now. But they still brought up other differences. The LT isn't qualified on the 240, the LT never walks point, the LT never has to pull guard duty, etc. Well, officers and enlisted have different roles in the military. An officers main weapon is his platoon/company/etc. You don't have to be an expert on firing the M240, you have to be an expert on employing it and every other weapon in the platoon. And while doing that, you also get to keep up with where everyone is, if air support is on station, where the nearby friendly units are, does the QRF know your position, if you're on the correct route, if you're making the right time to the OBJ, and the list goes on and on. Officers have different roles. In some ways it's easier. In some ways it's harder. In most ways, it's different.
Having been a prior enlisted Marine before commissioning, I could commiserate with my platoon about basic training. In fact, I would argue that Marine boot camp is harder than Army Basic Training. At least comparing then to now. But they still brought up other differences. The LT isn't qualified on the 240, the LT never walks point, the LT never has to pull guard duty, etc. Well, officers and enlisted have different roles in the military. An officers main weapon is his platoon/company/etc. You don't have to be an expert on firing the M240, you have to be an expert on employing it and every other weapon in the platoon. And while doing that, you also get to keep up with where everyone is, if air support is on station, where the nearby friendly units are, does the QRF know your position, if you're on the correct route, if you're making the right time to the OBJ, and the list goes on and on. Officers have different roles. In some ways it's easier. In some ways it's harder. In most ways, it's different.
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Works that way for this Navy retiree also, Captain. Having been enlisted for eight years and commissioned for sixteen, I saw both sides of that issue in the Navy and with the Marines (I was Medical Dept).
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SSG James Behnke
Love your take on it. Better to learn sooner rather than later that if you don't agree with how something is done, work yoir way uo to the position that can change it.
All that being said, PLs can earn a ton of respect from their soldiers by taking the time to go through training on weapons with them. Youre right, ita not their job to be an expert on them, but coming in with little to no experience while most SPCs already have a combat tour.... it goes a long way to say "hey, help me get smart on this SAW".
Not a PLs prerogative, but if youre interested in earning respect, that'll do it nine times out of ten in Gruntland.
All that being said, PLs can earn a ton of respect from their soldiers by taking the time to go through training on weapons with them. Youre right, ita not their job to be an expert on them, but coming in with little to no experience while most SPCs already have a combat tour.... it goes a long way to say "hey, help me get smart on this SAW".
Not a PLs prerogative, but if youre interested in earning respect, that'll do it nine times out of ten in Gruntland.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SSG James Behnke - I agree completely. Officers (especially young officers)should take every opportunity to train on the platoon's weapon systems even if it's just for familiarization. You need to know what it feels like to carry them too. I'd take my turn filling sandbags or loading trucks or whatever when the situation allowed. It doesn't always happen but it's good to keep a look out for them.
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I don't see how it makes you arrogant that your training requirements are different from theirs. Either you did 4 years of training at a university/academy, or you did 13 weeks of misery at OCS. I've never understood why that should be so surprising. Just tell them the facts.
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LCDR (Join to see)
Couldn't have said it better. The real difference in training is that each experience is based on the expectations afterward. Officers train more to command decisions and leadership than would be taught as early on for the enlisted side. My enlisted experience was limited to a few years, but the biggest difference I've known was that I was trained to do a job first, with leading as an afterthought, whereas my officer training (with the obvious exception of flight school) has been tailored to leading, taking care of subordinates, administrative accountability, and command decisions. They're just different animals.
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SN Greg Wright
LCDR (Join to see) - I was gonna say congrats on the promotion, LT, but I see it was some time ago. Man, am I getting old.
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To be honest, ROTC is a bit of a joke. Just like everyone's Basic Training is different (location, cadre, instructors, weather, fellow soldiers, etc.), ROTC cadets also have different training, some locations and schools are more difficult than others, but in the main, it is far too easy and does not adequately prepare the Cadet to be an officer. That is why when young, inexperienced 2LT's show up, everyone rolls their eyes and the 'real' training begins. Just like ROTC, Basic and AIT training have been made easier and simpler so that the soldiers can be graduated and pushed through to enter into the system quickly and the expectation is that the units will train them to meet the standard. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If a soldier has a bad attitude, learning difficulties, poor morals and ethics, those problems are passed along from basic to ait to the unit. As a future Officer, you have to recognize that the training is not as difficult as it should be, and that regardless of what is taught, it is not enough. You have to arrive as a 2LT in top physical condition, with a positive mental attitude, an open mind, willing to learn your new job, and listen to your senior NCO's and those that actually do the job (you may inherit an understaffed section that is effectively being led by a Corporal or SPC who is the subject matter expert). If you are in an Infantry Platoon, then you better know the systems you have to employ. Same goes for a maintenance platoon or a medical unit. Not having been to basic is a big disadvantage and ROTC summer camp does not make up for it. So you have to go the extra mile to learn your job and do it effectively without being dragged down by the system. Otherwise you will find yourself behind a desk all the time and you won't know the names of your soldiers (which occurs far too often). You have to downplay the weaknesses of the ROTC program and highlight the positive experiences, you are a 300 APFT Soldier, an Expert with rifle and pistol, driver, whatever. Basic is an introduction and an indoctrination. ROTC is (supposed to be) an introduction and a leadership school.
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