Posted on Apr 11, 2014
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I know we have all head of the "bad" recruiters. I know, personally, I had a few recruiters try to lie to me about different options. Fortunately, I had military family members and friends to help guide me as well. However, I have seen many instances where recruiters told recruits to lie or hide information on their paperwork or made promises that were obviously false. Recently, some of this "advice" came back to bite a good friend of mine who may lose his MOS. While, I know everyone is accountable for themselves, and the members of MEPS encourage you to be honest, how do we "police-up" the recruiters who are encouraging recruits to make bad decisions? I would think as a recruiter, you are looking to pick your replacements and future teammates. I would expect you would want the best in these men and women. Thanks.
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CPT Erik Fedde
Recruiters are policed in a variety of ways. The first step is the station commander, who reviews all the paperwork and talks to a potential recruit. The next step is the MEPS, where a recruit has to take the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) and a physical. If they qualify on the ASVAB, and pass the physical (not guaranteed) they see a career counselor. The career counselor is the one who actually draws up the enlistment contract. This is a legal document explaining the length of service (to include individual ready reserve time after active duty), the recruit's Military Occupational Speciality, and, if there is a choice, where the recruit will be stationed after advanced individual training. This session is usually where the problems start. A lot of recruits don't actually read the contract. So, when they find out that the Army is not for them (usually in Basic Training), they say the "recruiter lied to them." Now the real policing starts. A recruiting company commander (not the commander of the company of the recruiter) is assigned to investigate the entire process from recruiter to MEPS. This has the same force as a pre-court martial investigation. Once it is done, the investigation goes through the recruiting battalion commander (a lieutenant colonel) and on to the recruiting brigade commander (a full colonel.) Either one of them can pull a recruiter out of a station, and do anything from a written letter of reprimand up to demotion. If the offense is bad enough, there may even be a court martial. That's pretty rare. Over the years, a series of scandals- from recruiters coaching recruits on the ASVAB, for example- have forced the Army Recruiting Command to really tighten up on standards- and quite often, the Company Commander and First Sergeant of a "bad" recruiter will also catch a reprimand. Physical standards also have been tightened up- it used to be that a recruit could lie about things like asthma, even schizophrenia (don't laugh- I saw it happen and the kid went to Iraq for two tours). Football players were notorious liars- they would deny ever having a concussion (name one football player who didn't take a hit that cleaned his clock) or deny having problems with their knees. The physical is awfully hard to catch problems- and the docs assume the recruit is telling the truth.
SFC Stephen P.
Remove the mission, no incentive to lie.
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I dont know how you police up people being dishonest. How is it policed up in life in general? As you mentioned when you joined you had people lie to you about options which I would doubt, no offense, but recruiters don't choose options they will let you select whats available theres no incentive not to. Now the problem is many people know people who have joined or who are in or were in the military and somehow believe that makes them a subject matter expert. Basically unless the person your advice is coming from has availability to updated recruiting regulations and messages they have no idea what can get you disqualified and what makes you qualified. Now as far as your friend losing his MOS if he/she is losing their MOS I guess thats a good thing in the end because as you said we want the best men and women in the MOS's that they are qualified to be in. Now I believe that the recruiter should have been honest as well but Im not ready to blame just that recruiter when the applicant your friend had many chances to reveal accurate information. Not trying to lash out at you but it just seems that we are painting recruiters with broad strokes not all recruiters lie and the ones that do generally get found out.
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I agree, SFC. I know many good recruiters, and I am not trying to paint all recruiters in a bad light. I am thankful for my recruiters and many people enter the service daily with no incident. I was more so just inquiring on how the recruiters police up their own. I understand that you all have quotas and goals. In regards to my colleague, he entered a drug rehab on his own so there was nothing in his record to show this. I do not know how he got this far without the investigator finding this out. My investigator was overly thorough. I had two sessions while I was in basic with him for about seven hours in total. Again, I'm sorry if the original discussion seemed to be putting blame on the recruiting stations. That was not my intentions.
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No problem I just like to clarify that not all recruiters are doing the wrong thing like any soldier out there. Although we are made up of human beings so there will always be those few that will do the wrong thing from time to time.

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