Posted on Jan 2, 2014
CPL Paul B.
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Recently I've been hearing countless remarks, and seeing posts from soldiers and veterans alike. Down talking our commander in chief. How do you feel about this? Should this be allowed within our ranks? Does freedom of speech really play a part?<br><br>
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TSgt Kevin Buccola
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<p>Respect the Office of the President of the United States - Period,&nbsp;you don't have to agree with but you must respect the Office.</p><p><br></p><p>You mention Freedom of Speech - Sorry that does not exist in the Military.</p>
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SFC Ian Lumgair
SFC Ian Lumgair
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We are members of the United States Armed services. POTUS is our Commander In Chief. With that in mind, somehow, some way, we have forgotten that he is just a citizen of the United States. No more no less, that means his behavior and actions are subject to our critique. In fact as an elected official in this republic, he is first and foremost subject to the laws that govern his office. He is accountable for his actions to the people that elect him. He is accountable via, the functions of the election, and he is accountable to the oversight critique / criticism of the people that elected him. Have we forgotten that? I say Yes. We are service members in the military that means that we are professional and courteous, but, first and foremost we are Citizens of this Republic. I keep seeing the argument that you would not say that too or about your Commander, SNCO ext. WRONG!!!! They are governed by regulations just like POTUS is constrained by the Constitution, If you do not have the personal integrity to speak up when a SM (no matter the rank) violates a regulation you have no right to wear that uniform, or when the President or any another elected or appointed official violates and or exceeds the constraints office. You should not be wearing that uniform, In this republic you have every right to philosophically to not agree with what they are doing. You keep to the constraints of the argument, and you are always professional, but because you are a citizen of this country you are first and foremost required to make your voice heard. With all that said. You know what? If that individual in whatever office they occupy, in or out of the service if they don't like it. here is a great quote for them
If he / she "can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen." Harry S Truman
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SPC Gary Basom
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I stand by my opinion, I am not attacking the military, but I do question his goals as I am a civilian. Does my 15 years of service mean I didn't love the military. Heck no. I question him because he does not follow or abide by the Constitution. I swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend the US Constitution and I do not consider someone who bypasses it to do whatever the heck he wants a leader who has the good of the nation at heart. If I weren't in and the diabetes and auto accident hadn't forced a discharge I would have to do and follow his orders too. Pursuant to military law I am not bound to follow illegal or immoral orders. If forced to, it is my duty to report it per regulations of the UCMJ.
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CPO Ed Ball
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While I served we dealt with President Carter, then there was the First Lady Hillary Clinton attempting to throw military personnel out of the White House, then of course there was President Bill Clinton, fortunately things went uphill from there. Dealing with civilian leadership is a topic that will be dealt with through eternity throughout the ranks. You may not like the individuals, but you best respect their positions. Being retired we do our best to strengthen our civilian leadership through the ballot box, where it truly matters.
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SSG Aircraft Powertrain Repairer
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We raised our hands and openly volunteered to be subjected to whatever environment we are ordered to stand on or in. Does it upset me after all the deployments and lost brothers.&nbsp; HELL YES!!!&nbsp; We protect the rights to freedom of speech.&nbsp; Until we are cleared and completely signed out and no longer wear the uniform our actions as Armed Servicemembers is to support and defend no matter what the objective or mission.&nbsp; The people that complain about the politics and orders are not Servicemembers serving their country.&nbsp; They are civilians in wolves clothing representing us in a poor manner.&nbsp; MY answer to you is:&nbsp; If these&nbsp;"WANNA BE's" dont like it then they shouldnt reenlist nor should they claim any benefits after they take their leave of the military at ETS time.&nbsp; But i am sure they are sucking the marrow out of life; when it comes to them receiving free services after serving they sure wont complain about that.
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SFC Surplus Soldier
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What does the title "commander in chief " mean?&nbsp; Is this the person who runs our nation(along with congress)? Is&nbsp;this the person in charge of our nations forces? Yes he is and its our obligation to "Squash" any remarks thats damaging to that title or position. Its our obligation not our right to put an end to the down-talking ASAP. Remember, its a title not the person we have to respect.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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SFC John Gates, General Washington led our troops against British rule, to some that was questionable. President&nbsp;Lincoln led Federal Troops against the South he ended Slavery, that was questionable by some. He died for his beliefs. President Bush Jr, and Senior&nbsp;sent troops to Iraq because of the threat of chemical weapons but that was questionable, and all about oil resources. I guess the real question is? What side of questionable&nbsp;are you on. In my humble opinion this President is doing everything he can to work towards a more fairer society. I don't find that questionable but Admirable. What I do find highly questionable is the failure of Congress to pass anything that resembles&nbsp;fairness. Instead they would&nbsp;cut snap, diminish&nbsp; Veterans benefits, turn social security&nbsp;into one time voucher program, fail to pass immigration&nbsp;reform,deny women the right to choose, and allow weapons to be sold to any one who asks,&nbsp;then deny Veterans and Civilians the help they need to look for a job in&nbsp; an economy that is intentionally sabotaging the Presidents efforts because the wealthiest refuse to do their part.
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CWO2 Shelby DuBois
CWO2 Shelby DuBois
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Being critical of Congress and giving the POTUS a pass because he's trying to be fair is&nbsp;wrong. This POTUS&nbsp;lacks leadership.&nbsp;He was a lousy State Senator for us here in Illinois and hasn't changed.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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I understand Sir, but I had to except that President Bush Jr. won&nbsp;in 2000&nbsp;when clearly Al Gore had&nbsp;by majority vote. So I truly understand your point. But we gave President Bush 8 years to try and the economy tanked. So why not let&nbsp;President Obama finish what he has&nbsp;started.
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SFC Anthony Crute
SFC Anthony Crute
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PFC Serti, I salute you! you see the same things that I see and I don't know what the POTUS haters see. I have carefully watched the Presidents speeches, witnessed his accomplishments but turned to FOX news and the information that was put out was exactly the opposite of what the President said in his speech. Remember them saying that the President was trying to kill our grandparents, What about black helicopters landing on our lawn and troops storming our homes confiscating our weapons or when the President gave the order that took out Bin Laden? The haters said that President Bush laid the foundation to finding Bin Laden, when he (President Bush) on national TV stood up and said during his term that "he didn't know where Bin Laden was and to tell you the truth, he's is not that important right now!" I didn't hear or see negative responses from that statement. They even had some women stand up and talked against womens rights! Haters seem to be captivated or in some cases brainwashed by Fox news. It bothers me when this type of rhetoric infiltrate our military which supposed to be the worlds most tightest,and most dedicated organization.
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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Thank You SFC Crute,
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SSG Interior Electrician
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I find myself in situations where people will ask me my thoughts on the commander in chief. My typical response is ; ask me when he is no longer commander in chief
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SSG Interior Electrician
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I find myself in situations where people will ask me my thoughts on the commander in chief. My typical response is ; ask me when he is no longer commander in chief
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PFC Peter Bohnhof
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We let service members now be openly perverted and deviant, in the name of "equality". We let senior government (IRS) officials plead the fifth amendment when being asked about predatory tactics within the agency and now we are actually arguing whether an active duty service member can exercise his first amendment rights, simply because there are those that still defend this POS sitting in the peoples house? Really? There are so MUCH other malfeasance going on with this clown that it is certainly arguable that he as actually an ENEMY of this country, and there is no sense wasting time articulating it here, it is TOO well documented. What we should be arguing is WHEN will the active duty take up arms and arrest this malevolent beast and begin to set things back to where they should be before it's too late.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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PFC Serati: Is that correct: "Sephen" not "Stephen"? No problem, it's an interesting name.<br><br>Yes, of course, everyone should be happy and healthy, well-fed, we-clothed, and well-housed. So what? I believe it was Milton Friedman who famously advised that we should judge programs by results, not intentions.<br><br>Another wise person once said that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."<br><br>The truth is that no country at any time in history under any form of government enjoyed more posterity and leveling of wealth than the United States before the progressives began fiddling with the system, substituting well-intentioned programs for the liberty that gave everyone the ability to rise socially and economically. They have taken advantage of every crisis, even inventing a few, to further their agenda, all to the detriment of the very people they purport to help.<br><br>Now, you may argue but as a student of history, I can prove everything above. However, it would be far more satisfying and believable if you invested the time and energy to learn for yourself.<br>
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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That's embarrassing, fixed. Stephen. The question to me is how to move forward and what balance to strike between Capitalism and&nbsp; Socialism? The 2 are what this is really all about. The bridge to connect the two did used to exist you are correct but that bridge has succumb to greed and corruption on allot of levels. We can repair that bridge by taking a more Humanistic approach which doesn't exclude the other 2,it just moves the bottom line towards over all Prosperity. and Sustainability. In my humble opinion ,Sir.
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PFC Peter Bohnhof
PFC Peter Bohnhof
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I think as far as firearms go, we should shift to training of kids, say about middle school or high school aged, in the basic safe handling and use of firearms, much like a drivers ed program. Leftist political ideology has demonized firearms in such a way that it has become harmful to the situation. The United States has firearms woven into the fabric of our culture since the beginning, and guns are not going away anytime soon, if ever. The only logical thing to do is to train our youth to use firearms in a sensible manner, take the mystique away, if you will. Kids need to understand that, while certainly deadly, firearms are a valuable tool that have more primary uses than simply a weapon meant to kill. There are other societal problems that need to be addressed also, violent video games, films and media, big pharma needlessly drugging kids, basic respect for others would be a good place to start.
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I have been taught about firearms since I was 4 years old, Ive been teaching my daughter about firearms since she was 4. Now I would never let her fire one until she was older, I believe kids need to know about weapons early in life. But I start with the basics, what it looks like and what to do if she ever see's one in certain situations. When you teach them the right way, its never too early.
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LT Ken Anderson
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If you can no longer respect your Commander in Chief or because of your political persuasion conviently participate in this particular debate, fueled primarily by civilians and others who have never worn the uniform &nbsp;and voluntarily placed themselves in harms way....If you wear the uniform and can no longer serve honorably and instead of having a predisposition to obey orders, now choose to be political and question the validity of those same orders.....please, for the sake of those who have gone on before you...get out of that uniform pronto and become a civilian before you dishonor the service, the uniform and the rest of us.<div><br></div><div><br></div>
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