Posted on Jan 2, 2014
CPL Paul B.
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Recently I've been hearing countless remarks, and seeing posts from soldiers and veterans alike. Down talking our commander in chief. How do you feel about this? Should this be allowed within our ranks? Does freedom of speech really play a part?<br><br>
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SGT Lorenzo Nieto
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I don’t have to respect the man in office I do however have to follow his orders no matter how much I disagree.
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SGT Robert Urbaniak
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The Joe Biden presidency has been a total Cluster FUCK, he has ruined the country that I love, the USA. Gas prices along with groceries, rent,interest rates, among others.
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SGT M C
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Since the constitution gurantees freedom of speech and soldiers are the front line defenders of that consitutional right I would say we have prefernential right to! How's that.
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Col Robert Jackson
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While you are in uniform you don't have the right. All military personnel are subject to a vehicle search by MPs without cause. Radom personnel checks and Vehicles searches are routinely conducted. If you live on base, your living space can be search without cause. If you don't agree, then military service may not be for you.
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SSG Bob Robertson
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I am not going to say who I am going to vote for, however that's part of joining the service. To protect the 1st Admendment. Just don't do it in uniform which is not allowed per UCMJ.
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MSgt Robert Branscome
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It is hard to respect a man that does not do what is right for his country and it's people
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CPO Kurt Baschab
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When you say veterans, I am guessing they are no longer active duty in the military service, so they are Civilians, & can say what ever they want. as long as they are not speaking for anyone but themselves, they can say what they want.

for those still on active duty, it is a very fine line ,they must walk , they must be careful what they say and when they say it

Military personal are allowed to have there political beliefs, and thoughts , that being said, they must be careful what they say and who can hear them when they speak, basically no one should be talking politics at work, or be talking about elected officials, while on duty, or while they are wearing the uniform in public.
but lets be honest we are human,
lets also Remember we did not take a Otha to protect and defend a political party, or a elected leader, we swore to protect and defend the United States Constitution & The Bill Of Rights,
we are not to follow unlawful orders or UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS ,

USEING THE SENTENCE OR PHRASE , I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS IS NOT A EXCUSE , THAT WAS SETTLED SHORTLY AFTER WWII. THAT BEING SAID,


when a active duty service member is out of Uniform they can speak there mind, but they must not be speaking neg or positively when they are Representing the military service in or out uniform,

yet we all talk privately amongst are Friends, & are friends are fellow service members, and we have friendly debates amongst are selves. sadly even then you have to be careful, for there are those who are looking for any reason to hurt others. it not right, but it is true.

I remember back when I was still on active duty, I had this junior member walk into my office, and ask me if I could change anything in the United States Constitution or the Bill or rights, what would that be?
I knew this young man was trying to set me up for a investigation.
so I turned it on him, and used it as a teachable moment.

I went on to explained, we should not talk politics, but seeing how we were talking about the Constitution, & as a single citizen I had zero power to change the united states Constitution, or the bill of rights, I would be glad to talk history and Hypotheticals , I then went on to explain how the founding fathers in there wisdom, had put a tool's in place, to make changes to the bill of rights,
in order for the people to make Changes to the Constitution and the Bill of rights. it takes a super majority.

I went on to explain how else did we go from 10 Amendments to 27 Amendments , and if we did not have these tools, how did Congress and the states
Repeal the 18th Amendment ?

I then went on to explain how these changes were supposed to take place,
I explained it would take a super majority of congress, and a super majority of the senate, and state Gov. to make any changes

He was not happy with this answer, & keep pressing me to pick something that I would like to see changed ,

so I said, well, If I had the power to make changes to the Bill of Rights, I would abolish or make changes to the 16th & 17 Amendments . he pressed on for why?
hoping I would say something he could use against me .
he asked me why? again
I went on to explained how the federal Income tax was found to be Unconstitutional not once but twice, until the passing of the 16th Amendment.

I went on to explained that with the passage of the 16th Amendment, this gave the Fed gov unlimited funds, to grow the size& power of the Fed Gov.

it gave the Fed Gov unlimited funds to buy votes, by promising gov programs to take care of certain class of voters, etc
How it allowed the Fed Gov to grow & go after political enemies, because very few citizens have the funds to fight countless FED court battles not to mention the Fed Income Tax removed the American citizen right to keep your hard earn labor and wealth.

I Explained that keeping one hard earn labor and wealth was one of the founding Principals of being a free citizen , when the Fed Gov Got the power to tax the citizen hard earn labor and seize the citizen wealth it was the 1st step in removing are freedoms.

for example , have you ever asked why we no longer require students to read and understand the Declaration of Independence?
if you read the Declaration of Independence, it explains and tells you why we have a RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS , READ A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, it tells you why we have the 2nd Amendment.

there A LOT OF INFORMATION , in such a small document, it gives the foundation and principals in the Constitution, that tells the world why we are declaring are Freedom,

we have the Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness along with the right to defend are selves and are freedoms the 1st one was the right to Life, without Life we have no other rights, then it was Liberty, no man is free without the right to keep his or her hard earned labor and wealth, the 3rd is the Pursuit of Happiness , notice it does not say you have the right to happiness or Success it says you have the right to PURSUE HAPPYNESS NO WHERE DOES IT SAY WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EQUAL OUTCOME
WE have the right to Pursue Happiness the Gov is supposed to ensure we have a Equal playing field, & Equal justice under the law, it then goes on to explain why we have a 2nd Amendment.

why do I bring all this up, ?
it simple really , ONLY A FREEMAN IS ALLOWED TO KEEP HIS OR HER HARD EARN LABOR AND WEALTH .
Only A FREEMAN IS ALLOWED TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
A SLAVE IS DISARMED.
WHY IS A SLAVE DISARMED ?
A SLAVE IS DISARMED TO PREVENT HIM OR HER FROM ATTACKING THE MASTER OR OWNER .
so when you hear elected officials who are supposed to be protecting are rights and freedoms, working to remove them, you have to ask why?

A SLAVE IS NOT ALLOWED TO KEEP HIS OR HER HARD EARN LABOR, THE SLAVE MASTER OR OWNER KEEPS THAT HARD EARN LABOR FOR THEMSELVES AND SPENDS JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP THE SLAVE IN HOUSING, HEALTHY, ALIVE AND FEED .

FOR EXAMPLE a slave is not allowed to keep his or her hard earn labor and wealth, for the master or owner will keep all his slave hard earn income and wealth,
IN RETURN THE MASTER OR SLAVE OWNER WILL provide free housing, Clothing, Medical care, Transportation, basic education, food & water etc notice up until the 16th Amendment those rights placed restrictions on what the fed Gov could do to the people.

the 17th Amendment effectively removed one of the check and balances of the united states constitution,
Remember congress speaks for the people, that is why the number of state congressmen goes up or down every ten years, federal Census, the Senate is supposed to speaks for the states, and protect the states rights;
Sadly with the passage of the 17th Amendment it removed the states Voice and power to effectively stop any unconstitutional laws that removed the states power & voice.

sadly todays elected Officials are more interested in protecting there stolen wealth , Power, & the Political Party's power & wealth , they stole from the people in order to enrich & Empower themselves, there political party, along with the Fed Gov .

there was a time before the Fed Reserve and Fed Income tax that the only way for the Fed Gov To FUND A WAR OR A PROJECT WAS TO ASK THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY TO FUND THIS FED PROJECT BY PURCHASING BONDS , BECAUSE OF THE 16TH & 17TH AMENDMENTS & THE FEDERAL RESERVE , WE ARE NO LONGER EVEN ASKED BY THE FED GOV, The GOV JUST REACHES INTO ARE WALLETS .

instead of the two senators working for there respective states , the senators now work for there Respective political party.
the senate does not work to protect the people or the states rights, they work to protect and grow the elected leaders wealth, power, and federal Gov wealth & power, so until we repeal the 16th & 17th amendment & abolish the Fed Reserve, are Gov will not work as it was intended. sadly for a long time now, we no longer have a Gov of the people by the people for the people. we now have a gov of the Elected Dem / Republican party, by Big Gov , by the Dem/republican party / Big Gov , for R/D Big Gov Party .
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PO3 Ron Cowher
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I don't think it is right to criticize our president while serving in the military.
Remember, in the military, rank is everything. And, being The Commander In Chief, doesn't get any higher. Also, you are honoring the OFFICE, not the PERSON. Think what you want about the person, but keep it to yourself. Remember, you are serving our country, not another person.
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AN Tony Leding
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Criticizing anyone --- including the POTUS --- is a fundamental right enshrined in the COTUS. That said, I do think criticizing POTUS while in service is poor behavior. After separation, have at it. It would be silly to the point of near insanity to think because one served they therefore forfeited their fundamental rights; it just doesn't work that way.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
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Political discourse is fine. It is protected in our constitution. Having respectful discussions about the president while not on duty is fine. However, there are lines that should not be crossed. Expressing your opinions while not wearing the uniform is acceptable. Trashing or insulting your leadership is another thing altogether. I remember a 1SG while in formation was complaining that our president was a p***y. He was fired the next day.
You have to be careful not to cross the line into the arena of conduct prejudicial to the good order and discipline.
Imagine if you were to walk up to your CO and say to him that you think he is a shithead. You would be brought up on charges so fast it would defy the speed of light.
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SGM Security Specialist
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Unless the CINC is egregious in his attitude or distaste for the Armed Forces, I always kept it in the appropriate social circles and never in uniform. Nothing wrong with expressing yourself. Just not on duty or in uniform.
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