Posted on Apr 9, 2015
How do you mentor your Soldier who is outstanding in his profession, but has poor decision making skills off duty?
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What do you do when you have a soldier who is outstanding in his profession, but is beginning to really make you question his off duty decision making?
A little background on the question, I've been in the Army for six years now, and made my share of mistakes. My personality isn't the norm for a lot of NCO's in my experience, and honestly many people questioned my ability to lead soldiers because I'm not the Type A, fire and brimstone type. I'm slow to anger, and most in my unit have never seen my temper flare up. That self control was learned though through A LOT of consequences from not having self control. It was a process, and likewise, my leadership reflects that process. During the same time, as some of you may know, I was blessed two little boys that taught me more than I can imagine in making me a man that they deserved to be their father. My oldest son, Elisha, is somewhere on the autistic spectrum, and he has taught me how to manage stress and nurture his development. Together the two different perspectives, personal and professional, have led me to view my responsibilities to my soldiers in much the same way I try to be a father.
Most of you, if you're still reading this, are probably wondering what this has to do with the question I posed. Recently, one of my soldiers has begun to make me question how best to approach certain situations. I believe entirely in tough love and making consequences, good or bad, for behavior, but some days lately I've wondered if those doubts have been correct after all. It's not completely dissimilar to when my boys first randomly bit another kid while they were playing as toddlers and just started laughing. I remember then questioning whether I had completely failed in my assessment of how to be a parent (extreme, but seriously what makes every kid think this is hilarious at two years old?). Likewise, my soldier did something equally as...embarrassing I guess, but definitely unbelievable why... and by some miracle was given a slap on the wrist by those much higher than me.
I believe in counseling soldiers, for good, bad, mentoring, everything really, and try to take the opportunity to teach and improve them and my own leadership. I think it fosters effective communication that, frankly speaking, many of my peers are underdeveloped in. Communication is a two way street, and like with my boys, I think I would be failing my soldiers if I didn't teach them how to effectively communicate and critically assess their actions and situations. It's long term and it's riskier, but the payoff is much more immense in my opinion. I say all of this, because I don't know what to do.
My soldier is literally one of those people who makes soldiering look easy. He is naturally skilled at performing his job, 300 APFT, expert shooter, proficient in law enforcement and combat training, and extremely receptive to training. He's a very intelligent soldier, both technically and tactically. Basically he makes it look easy.
But the downside is, he's a 19 year old kid... a 19 year old kid who's single in Germany as a duty station. I know how I was at 19, so honestly I don't think it is a reflection of who he is for making mistakes in his personal life. I think he's doing what every 19 year old does, FIGURING WHO THE **** HE IS. He's learning what it means to be an adult, and with that means learning how to survey his surroundings and his decision making and adjust fire where needed.
When I first picked him up in my team, I had to immediately address fraternization with an NCO, not sexual in nature, going to clubs and bars together, perceived favoritism at work. I addressed it, and counseled him and my other soldier on what fraternization and the policy is and what their responsibilities are in those situations. Problem was solved, and they both learned something. Now he and a few of his peers started frequenting a specific club off post. Long story short, he misjudged the club's intentions, and last week made one of those "2 year bites a friend, hilarious, wtf" decisions, agreeing to sign them into the installation to solicit fliers. Making matters worse, he had worked overnight, and thought for some unknown reason it was okay to leave them unaccompanied because they were his friends and a girl he was interested in. Just completely out of left field.
He was counseled, and given a plan of action that restricted his sign on privileges for six months, required a post police call of the materials, and anytime he left the Kaserne, he was to contact me prior to and after returning only with another Soldier in the platoon (on work days) and submit a 1594 with his plan of action prior to every day off for two months. Leadership outside of his immediate chain decided he would not be charged for it. All went well for a few days, but twice now in the last week, he failed to notify me prior to leaving (although the first time, he did notify me shortly thereafter), and even more troubling both times went to the same club.
Many of my peers think that he needs to just have his off post privileges revoked entirely, but no matter how I try to buy into that, I just don't agree with it. I think that there is absolutely nothing constructive to be learned from that solution, despite it being an obvious punishment. It, to me, is the easy, short term solution. The second incident occurred this evening. I chose an entirely different route, and most of my peers think "I don't get it". I'm fine with that, I genuinely care about my soldiers, and I think I am failing them if I don't allow them to grow themselves. I'm willing to risk my reputation if in the long term I can look back and see that I made an impact in helping my soldiers become better people, not just soldiers.
So instead I'm writing a memorandum notating the deviance from the PoA, and informed my squad leader so he was informed. In addition, he's now required to document his plans for every day on a 1594 for two weeks, and anything not annotated be called to me PRIOR to. Further I instructed him that for the remainder of the two months, he is to call me prior to departing for any establishment where alcohol is primarily served with a complete PoA for any and all possible scenarios of the evening. The club is now blacklisted for the unit per the commander which I agree with. And my squad leader is requiring him to complete an essay on integrity that is not just copy and paste. Any deviance from this new PoA will lead me to recommend NJP for him as he is aware.
Despite all that though, many still think he should 1. be recommended now, and 2. be restricted to post for a set amount of time. I think back to my own experiences with self control, and that still does not change my stance. I want him to go out during this time, I want him to be in those situations, and I want to continue to mentor him on how to do the right thing when no one is looking. The only way, in my opinion, for him to learn how to critically assess this and grow in this area is by continuing to guide him while allowing him to learn from his mistakes.
He has grown in these areas besides the major incident, and even called earlier today before this to ask me to counsel him on the changes to the tattoo policy so he could better understand the expected changes to the regulation. That might not sound like much, but to me, it shows that he wants to grow in his decision making and he feels comfortable coming to me as his leader when he needs guidance. I honestly don't remember more than a handful of NCOs that tried to establish that two way communication that made me feel comfortable reaching out to them for guidance without fearing I'd be treated like a moron or like I was interrupting their time. To me, it showed me that maybe I'm not so off in my approach.
I could push to crush this kid, and completely devastate his personal life, but at the end of the day, I feel like part of being a good leader is knowing when someone has to learn from their experience instead of a book or what I say. Far too often I see people break down young soldiers for mistakes, while neglecting to rehabilitate or mentor that soldier.
Anyway I apologize for rambling, I doubt most, if any will get this far in the post, but if so thank you. I just want to know, do you think this is effective leadership? How would you improve upon it? What do you disagree with? How would you proceed in the situation? I'm a young sergeant, and I'm not too proud to admit sometimes I'm wrong. Basically, I could really use some guidance, because besides my squad leader, everyone thinks I'm really failing here in this situation. I owe it to my soldiers to correct that if it is the case.
A little background on the question, I've been in the Army for six years now, and made my share of mistakes. My personality isn't the norm for a lot of NCO's in my experience, and honestly many people questioned my ability to lead soldiers because I'm not the Type A, fire and brimstone type. I'm slow to anger, and most in my unit have never seen my temper flare up. That self control was learned though through A LOT of consequences from not having self control. It was a process, and likewise, my leadership reflects that process. During the same time, as some of you may know, I was blessed two little boys that taught me more than I can imagine in making me a man that they deserved to be their father. My oldest son, Elisha, is somewhere on the autistic spectrum, and he has taught me how to manage stress and nurture his development. Together the two different perspectives, personal and professional, have led me to view my responsibilities to my soldiers in much the same way I try to be a father.
Most of you, if you're still reading this, are probably wondering what this has to do with the question I posed. Recently, one of my soldiers has begun to make me question how best to approach certain situations. I believe entirely in tough love and making consequences, good or bad, for behavior, but some days lately I've wondered if those doubts have been correct after all. It's not completely dissimilar to when my boys first randomly bit another kid while they were playing as toddlers and just started laughing. I remember then questioning whether I had completely failed in my assessment of how to be a parent (extreme, but seriously what makes every kid think this is hilarious at two years old?). Likewise, my soldier did something equally as...embarrassing I guess, but definitely unbelievable why... and by some miracle was given a slap on the wrist by those much higher than me.
I believe in counseling soldiers, for good, bad, mentoring, everything really, and try to take the opportunity to teach and improve them and my own leadership. I think it fosters effective communication that, frankly speaking, many of my peers are underdeveloped in. Communication is a two way street, and like with my boys, I think I would be failing my soldiers if I didn't teach them how to effectively communicate and critically assess their actions and situations. It's long term and it's riskier, but the payoff is much more immense in my opinion. I say all of this, because I don't know what to do.
My soldier is literally one of those people who makes soldiering look easy. He is naturally skilled at performing his job, 300 APFT, expert shooter, proficient in law enforcement and combat training, and extremely receptive to training. He's a very intelligent soldier, both technically and tactically. Basically he makes it look easy.
But the downside is, he's a 19 year old kid... a 19 year old kid who's single in Germany as a duty station. I know how I was at 19, so honestly I don't think it is a reflection of who he is for making mistakes in his personal life. I think he's doing what every 19 year old does, FIGURING WHO THE **** HE IS. He's learning what it means to be an adult, and with that means learning how to survey his surroundings and his decision making and adjust fire where needed.
When I first picked him up in my team, I had to immediately address fraternization with an NCO, not sexual in nature, going to clubs and bars together, perceived favoritism at work. I addressed it, and counseled him and my other soldier on what fraternization and the policy is and what their responsibilities are in those situations. Problem was solved, and they both learned something. Now he and a few of his peers started frequenting a specific club off post. Long story short, he misjudged the club's intentions, and last week made one of those "2 year bites a friend, hilarious, wtf" decisions, agreeing to sign them into the installation to solicit fliers. Making matters worse, he had worked overnight, and thought for some unknown reason it was okay to leave them unaccompanied because they were his friends and a girl he was interested in. Just completely out of left field.
He was counseled, and given a plan of action that restricted his sign on privileges for six months, required a post police call of the materials, and anytime he left the Kaserne, he was to contact me prior to and after returning only with another Soldier in the platoon (on work days) and submit a 1594 with his plan of action prior to every day off for two months. Leadership outside of his immediate chain decided he would not be charged for it. All went well for a few days, but twice now in the last week, he failed to notify me prior to leaving (although the first time, he did notify me shortly thereafter), and even more troubling both times went to the same club.
Many of my peers think that he needs to just have his off post privileges revoked entirely, but no matter how I try to buy into that, I just don't agree with it. I think that there is absolutely nothing constructive to be learned from that solution, despite it being an obvious punishment. It, to me, is the easy, short term solution. The second incident occurred this evening. I chose an entirely different route, and most of my peers think "I don't get it". I'm fine with that, I genuinely care about my soldiers, and I think I am failing them if I don't allow them to grow themselves. I'm willing to risk my reputation if in the long term I can look back and see that I made an impact in helping my soldiers become better people, not just soldiers.
So instead I'm writing a memorandum notating the deviance from the PoA, and informed my squad leader so he was informed. In addition, he's now required to document his plans for every day on a 1594 for two weeks, and anything not annotated be called to me PRIOR to. Further I instructed him that for the remainder of the two months, he is to call me prior to departing for any establishment where alcohol is primarily served with a complete PoA for any and all possible scenarios of the evening. The club is now blacklisted for the unit per the commander which I agree with. And my squad leader is requiring him to complete an essay on integrity that is not just copy and paste. Any deviance from this new PoA will lead me to recommend NJP for him as he is aware.
Despite all that though, many still think he should 1. be recommended now, and 2. be restricted to post for a set amount of time. I think back to my own experiences with self control, and that still does not change my stance. I want him to go out during this time, I want him to be in those situations, and I want to continue to mentor him on how to do the right thing when no one is looking. The only way, in my opinion, for him to learn how to critically assess this and grow in this area is by continuing to guide him while allowing him to learn from his mistakes.
He has grown in these areas besides the major incident, and even called earlier today before this to ask me to counsel him on the changes to the tattoo policy so he could better understand the expected changes to the regulation. That might not sound like much, but to me, it shows that he wants to grow in his decision making and he feels comfortable coming to me as his leader when he needs guidance. I honestly don't remember more than a handful of NCOs that tried to establish that two way communication that made me feel comfortable reaching out to them for guidance without fearing I'd be treated like a moron or like I was interrupting their time. To me, it showed me that maybe I'm not so off in my approach.
I could push to crush this kid, and completely devastate his personal life, but at the end of the day, I feel like part of being a good leader is knowing when someone has to learn from their experience instead of a book or what I say. Far too often I see people break down young soldiers for mistakes, while neglecting to rehabilitate or mentor that soldier.
Anyway I apologize for rambling, I doubt most, if any will get this far in the post, but if so thank you. I just want to know, do you think this is effective leadership? How would you improve upon it? What do you disagree with? How would you proceed in the situation? I'm a young sergeant, and I'm not too proud to admit sometimes I'm wrong. Basically, I could really use some guidance, because besides my squad leader, everyone thinks I'm really failing here in this situation. I owe it to my soldiers to correct that if it is the case.
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SGT (Join to see) First of all, you need lead the way you are comfortable, and a way that fits your personality.
- Leadership, as you know about influencing others (Your Soldiers) to accomplish the mission, it is about taking care of your Soldiers (which to me means doing whatever is needed to help those need our help and have potential), and now working to improve the organization (which includes improving each individual; or helping them improve themselves).
- Sure, you could crush him/her, or do what others recommend or do, but it sounds like you know the most, and are best qualified to decide what is best. It is apparent that you care, and that is what we need and this Soldier needs.
- I made many mistakes in my Army career, but luckily I always worked for leaders who saw the goodness in me over the dumbass. Every Soldier is different, and everyone requires a different approach. To me, that ability to treat each Solider as individual, while also ensuring each meets and exceed the standards in all areas, is what makes a great vs. a good leader. That is of course, if you believe Soldiers are the most important part of our Army.
- Finally, what this Solider needs to learn, is that on duty behavior and lifestyle needs to be congruent with off duty lifestyle and behavior. You can't have an on duty persona and an off duty persona with regards to Army Values and standards. If you do, these two personas will eventually collide. As a leader, as you know, you are doing this 24/7. This is especially important for an MP Soldier a future MP leader.
- Leadership, as you know about influencing others (Your Soldiers) to accomplish the mission, it is about taking care of your Soldiers (which to me means doing whatever is needed to help those need our help and have potential), and now working to improve the organization (which includes improving each individual; or helping them improve themselves).
- Sure, you could crush him/her, or do what others recommend or do, but it sounds like you know the most, and are best qualified to decide what is best. It is apparent that you care, and that is what we need and this Soldier needs.
- I made many mistakes in my Army career, but luckily I always worked for leaders who saw the goodness in me over the dumbass. Every Soldier is different, and everyone requires a different approach. To me, that ability to treat each Solider as individual, while also ensuring each meets and exceed the standards in all areas, is what makes a great vs. a good leader. That is of course, if you believe Soldiers are the most important part of our Army.
- Finally, what this Solider needs to learn, is that on duty behavior and lifestyle needs to be congruent with off duty lifestyle and behavior. You can't have an on duty persona and an off duty persona with regards to Army Values and standards. If you do, these two personas will eventually collide. As a leader, as you know, you are doing this 24/7. This is especially important for an MP Soldier a future MP leader.
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COL Charles Williams, I failed to mention that last part, but that was what disappointed me the most. My squad leader and I stressed that to him when we sat down with him, because as you are well aware, an MP is only as valuable as his credibility will take him. The community as a whole entrusts us with upholding and enforcing the standards, not circumventing them. How can an MP ethically serve his community if he does not hold himself to the same standards he enforces. It's an integrity issue in that respect. We addressed that in detail, and is the source for the essay topic. Thanks for the response sir, I appreciate your input!
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I read all the way through (since you mentioned that most won't) and I do agree with your plan of action, though I would offer a couple of pieces of advice:
1) Get used to the idea that you may not be able to save everyone. Don't let that stop you from trying, but don't take it personally if he steps on his d**k no matter how hard you try. It happens.
2) Stay the course no matter how much sense #1 may make. If he falls on his face, you'll have done your best.
3) Don't succumb to the thoughts of your peers until you know you should. Very often, their "I would..." advice is born of laziness. You're doing the right thing.
1) Get used to the idea that you may not be able to save everyone. Don't let that stop you from trying, but don't take it personally if he steps on his d**k no matter how hard you try. It happens.
2) Stay the course no matter how much sense #1 may make. If he falls on his face, you'll have done your best.
3) Don't succumb to the thoughts of your peers until you know you should. Very often, their "I would..." advice is born of laziness. You're doing the right thing.
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SGT Richard H., Thanks for the response. About 1. I understand that, but like I said, it's just really frustrating when a soldier could be great if only they could get out of their own way. At the end of the day though, you're definitely right about that.
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SGT Richard H.
SGT (Join to see) I've had three soldiers like that in my time...really two and one that wasn't as bad as those two. Two of the three ended up getting chaptered, and the third retired three or four years ago as a MSG...surprisingly, I think he was the most problematic of the three.
Just wanted to let you know where my advice comes from. Stay the course, my friend. Save him if you can, but if you can't, try again with the next one anyway. I feel in my heart that the one I did save was worth all three tries. Best of luck. I truly hope he comes around.
Just wanted to let you know where my advice comes from. Stay the course, my friend. Save him if you can, but if you can't, try again with the next one anyway. I feel in my heart that the one I did save was worth all three tries. Best of luck. I truly hope he comes around.
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SGT Richard H., Thanks for the encouragement. Honestly I fully expect him to probably finish tying the noose so to speak, and screwing the opportunity up. That isn't to say I want that, or that it'll change my opinion on giving him this opportunity, more that I have little trust in him right now to change his behavior overnight. And if it comes to NJP, maybe it'll be the best thing to ever happen to him. Sometimes you need that reality check.
It's good to know that sometimes that potential can be salvaged. Thanks again!
It's good to know that sometimes that potential can be salvaged. Thanks again!
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SGT (Join to see), I had one of those super troop Airmen. More awards in 3 years than many get in their entire career all the way up to MAJCOM level. E4 below the zone, E5 first time up, a real fast burner. Unfortunately, after multiple documented counselings on his off duty "actions" it caught up with him, NJP'ed which in turn lead him being force shaped out of the Air Force.
Document, Counsel, Guide and Correct, but ultimately, they are the ones that are going to make the choice if they are going to play ball or not.
Document, Counsel, Guide and Correct, but ultimately, they are the ones that are going to make the choice if they are going to play ball or not.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland, Thanks for the response, and I agree with that opinion. I think the key is making him choose whether he is going to grow up or get out. Ultimately that is on him, but it doesn't make me any less irritated because the potential is clearly there. Lately I just want to force him to wake up finally to the path he's on, but it's a tough pill to swallow when you understand you can't do that for them.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
SGT (Join to see), might be time to sit them down and explain what I call the CDC principle. Everyone is presented daily with a multitude of CHOICES, of those choices, you get to make DECISIONS. Those decisions lead to CONSEQUENCE both good and/or bad. If you don't want a specific set of consequences, make sure you don't make a decision that is going to lead to that.
Example: the alarm goes off and I don't want to get up!
Choice: stay in bed or get up and get ready for work
Decision: do one of them!
Consequence: I might not want to get up and go, I'll be tired. If I stay in bed, the cops will come in and pull me out of bed. Since I dislike prison more than I dislike work.
Example: the alarm goes off and I don't want to get up!
Choice: stay in bed or get up and get ready for work
Decision: do one of them!
Consequence: I might not want to get up and go, I'll be tired. If I stay in bed, the cops will come in and pull me out of bed. Since I dislike prison more than I dislike work.
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I implemented a variation of this with him tonight, at least as far as it involves alcohol or where it may be present. Part of it for him, part of it for his little group to start policing themselves up without needing direct babysitting while still forcing him at least to consider the consequences before hand.
Example: I'm planning on going to a club tonight that I've encountered numerous issues at.
Choice: Go to club and chance a better outcome or change my plans and try someplace new.
Decision: Decide on one and make an informal CRM on the choice.
Get a second opinion: Go to the most responsible one in the group, tell them the plan. If they say "that makes sense, good job" then
- Consequence 1 - Good job on making a plan, now implement it and enjoy your night!
or
Get a Second Opinion (Part 2): They say "Dude, no offense, but that's a terrible idea. I wouldn't do that." then
- Consequence 2 - Don't do it. Go back revise your plan, and work on a better solution. Repeat Get a Second Opinion Step until a different expected outcome is achieved.
Final Step: Notify me of the plan, and that him and his group conducted checks and controls on plan to be implemented.
Example: I'm planning on going to a club tonight that I've encountered numerous issues at.
Choice: Go to club and chance a better outcome or change my plans and try someplace new.
Decision: Decide on one and make an informal CRM on the choice.
Get a second opinion: Go to the most responsible one in the group, tell them the plan. If they say "that makes sense, good job" then
- Consequence 1 - Good job on making a plan, now implement it and enjoy your night!
or
Get a Second Opinion (Part 2): They say "Dude, no offense, but that's a terrible idea. I wouldn't do that." then
- Consequence 2 - Don't do it. Go back revise your plan, and work on a better solution. Repeat Get a Second Opinion Step until a different expected outcome is achieved.
Final Step: Notify me of the plan, and that him and his group conducted checks and controls on plan to be implemented.
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