Posted on Dec 29, 2016
How do you show leadership ability and potential if you have no one to lead?
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BLUF: I want to go to the Board, but I am being told that I must show NCO leadership ability before I'll be recommended.
Here's the big question (not whining, I am genuinely seeking advice here); how do you show leadership ability and potential if you have no one to lead -- and you get road-blocked when you try and cover down to display any of the ability to lead?
Here's the big question (not whining, I am genuinely seeking advice here); how do you show leadership ability and potential if you have no one to lead -- and you get road-blocked when you try and cover down to display any of the ability to lead?
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 33
Leadership ability potential isn`t based on supervision of others, or a number of tasks your in charge of. No matter what rank you are, or what task you are in charge of, there is a checklist of things that has to get done, which gets bigger the higher rank you are. Things that have to be done. So how do you show ability and potential if everything is a basic checklist anyways, you did one of the things needed, and what most people fail to do early on, is ask for help.
Asking is one thing you need to do, but you also need to know your job, be willing to learn to do it, and any task even if it is as simple as mopping the floor. The floor that is being mopped, by you or another not just for being dirty, but is a hazard that gets worse over time. But also if you do it poorly, like leave it very wet, not only will the water dry up and make it look bad, but it is a safety hazard as well. Done properly, till it dries up also, it is a trip hazard and you need a wet floor sign or warn people about it till it dries up if you can. Many who are given this task simply don`t think about that or care about others safety, for such a simple task. It also helps, now that you understand this, you notice a dirty floor like coffee that got spilled yourself, bring it up to the person in charge of that space because they may not have noticed it and someone else might and not be as nice about it. Or if its your space, clean that spot at your earliest convenience. And the task of mopping a floor properly, and recognizing any safety hazards, is a simple version of the more complex ones you likely normally do, even as a paper pusher in admin. Your dealing with some things that shouldn`t be left out like peoples socials, as I have seen with PII left around in the open in many admin spaces.
You also have to be willing to accept criticism, positive criticism which could or will hurt, but also offers advice on how to do it right the next time, even if it means doing it over after a discussion on what you did wrong, and what you should have done. Negative criticism, especially on more complex tasks is simply you messed up in not so nice words and just fix it, that leaves you confused, and you should talk to your chain about what you need to do something properly or at the satisfactory level needed.
You need to be open minded to the fact there is more then one way to do any task, and recognize any that is not safe that you shouldn`t do, or won`t accomplish the task to the required level if done differently.
Army/Air force E-5 and Navy and Marine Core E-4 NCO ranks also carries with it a certain responsibility to know what you are doing, and having and answer for those who need help. If you don`t know the answer, I don`t know stopped being the answer the moment you became an NCO. Now whether you know or don`t know who would know the answer, you need to either: tell them I`ll get back with you on the answer, take them to someone who does or can help find it, or direct them to said person.
Asking is one thing you need to do, but you also need to know your job, be willing to learn to do it, and any task even if it is as simple as mopping the floor. The floor that is being mopped, by you or another not just for being dirty, but is a hazard that gets worse over time. But also if you do it poorly, like leave it very wet, not only will the water dry up and make it look bad, but it is a safety hazard as well. Done properly, till it dries up also, it is a trip hazard and you need a wet floor sign or warn people about it till it dries up if you can. Many who are given this task simply don`t think about that or care about others safety, for such a simple task. It also helps, now that you understand this, you notice a dirty floor like coffee that got spilled yourself, bring it up to the person in charge of that space because they may not have noticed it and someone else might and not be as nice about it. Or if its your space, clean that spot at your earliest convenience. And the task of mopping a floor properly, and recognizing any safety hazards, is a simple version of the more complex ones you likely normally do, even as a paper pusher in admin. Your dealing with some things that shouldn`t be left out like peoples socials, as I have seen with PII left around in the open in many admin spaces.
You also have to be willing to accept criticism, positive criticism which could or will hurt, but also offers advice on how to do it right the next time, even if it means doing it over after a discussion on what you did wrong, and what you should have done. Negative criticism, especially on more complex tasks is simply you messed up in not so nice words and just fix it, that leaves you confused, and you should talk to your chain about what you need to do something properly or at the satisfactory level needed.
You need to be open minded to the fact there is more then one way to do any task, and recognize any that is not safe that you shouldn`t do, or won`t accomplish the task to the required level if done differently.
Army/Air force E-5 and Navy and Marine Core E-4 NCO ranks also carries with it a certain responsibility to know what you are doing, and having and answer for those who need help. If you don`t know the answer, I don`t know stopped being the answer the moment you became an NCO. Now whether you know or don`t know who would know the answer, you need to either: tell them I`ll get back with you on the answer, take them to someone who does or can help find it, or direct them to said person.
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Any time you are part of a group of two or more you have the opportunity to lead.
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There is your issue: "No one to lead"
An NCO is a leader of Soldiers.
If your getting "road blocked" my guess is your stepping out of your lane with a Soldier out of your squad on a personal level. If you are the lowest rank in your squad as a SPC, show that you are ready for the next rank by correcting others by the regulations as in on the spot corrections. Know and live by the Creeds, basics, perform as if you were the next rank, know DNC, know how to break down weapon systems.. be the guy every new recruit wants to learn from cause you know how to train them. On top of that, know your MOS!
That's my 3 1/2 cents to the tought
An NCO is a leader of Soldiers.
If your getting "road blocked" my guess is your stepping out of your lane with a Soldier out of your squad on a personal level. If you are the lowest rank in your squad as a SPC, show that you are ready for the next rank by correcting others by the regulations as in on the spot corrections. Know and live by the Creeds, basics, perform as if you were the next rank, know DNC, know how to break down weapon systems.. be the guy every new recruit wants to learn from cause you know how to train them. On top of that, know your MOS!
That's my 3 1/2 cents to the tought
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I appreciate it SGT! I do! However, to kind of clarify; by my saying I have no one to lead, but I get road-blocked when I try to cover down" is to say that I do not have soldiers under me, but I am occasionally told to cover down and help out with the Prior Service/Phase II platoon. The issue here is this: my NCO and my Senior tell me to do this, then the 1SG is wishy-washy about it (one day, he'll tell me to task them or to do something with them, or take them somewhere etc., but the next, he'll tell me not to even speak to them). But then I get told to just do my job, but I can't go to the board without showing that I know how to lead. It's a vicious circle. I can't lead with no one to lead, but I won't get anyone to lead until I show that I CAN lead. It's so confusing.
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SGT Justin Lamb
It can seem confusing at times. Remember when you are covering down, you are leading and someone higher then you sees the leadership potential in you. You may not have anyone assigned to be under you but every Soldier below you in rank needs the purpose, direction, and motivations to do what is right and you being higher than them makes you right for the choice.
That being said: Do not overstep your bounds. When covering down take charge but when NCOs are around and are putting out directions, show the lower ranks that to lead you must know how to follow. Know what the NCO put out so when plans get confusing you are able to step up and say hey.. this is how we were directed to get it done. At the same time when plans get goofy, be the one to figure out how to make everything work out when the NCO is pulled away.
Follow your 1SG's lead, he is telling you not to talk to them for a reason. Figure that reason out. There is more going on behind the scenes then you know. Just know that if he keeps tasking you for missions then you are proving that you are taking those steps in becoming an NCO. It doesn't happen overnight. Keep your head up. Like I said to lead you need to follow first, follow your NCOs and in time they will show that they have been seeing your leadership all along by sending you to the board.
That being said: Do not overstep your bounds. When covering down take charge but when NCOs are around and are putting out directions, show the lower ranks that to lead you must know how to follow. Know what the NCO put out so when plans get confusing you are able to step up and say hey.. this is how we were directed to get it done. At the same time when plans get goofy, be the one to figure out how to make everything work out when the NCO is pulled away.
Follow your 1SG's lead, he is telling you not to talk to them for a reason. Figure that reason out. There is more going on behind the scenes then you know. Just know that if he keeps tasking you for missions then you are proving that you are taking those steps in becoming an NCO. It doesn't happen overnight. Keep your head up. Like I said to lead you need to follow first, follow your NCOs and in time they will show that they have been seeing your leadership all along by sending you to the board.
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WOW tough question for an E-4. Leadership ability does not come from leading, it comes from doing the right thing, it comes from how you have helped other soldiers succeed. Taking a new soldier and assisting, informally training instead yelling and ordering. I would suggest you download and read the old counseling FM's or what ever they are using now. get ready to answer questions on how you would handle or react to certain situations, think before you speak then speak with confidence
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Show it in the positive way you perform your position. Show initiative in doing your job in a better way for the service branch your in.. I know there's the right way and the Army way (or what ever service you're in)... but if you can lay out how the service can be a better place by implementing your idea, you're trying to show you've initiative..
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There are informal and formal leaders. typically, Specialist fall under the informal leader roll. I would always watch and look for the ones that looked for opportunities to lead details or take initiative on actions like cleaning the barracks, loading equipment, training subordinates etc.
These specialist should solid potential and would be recommended for advancement, the others, just stayed in the E4 Mafia and hide behind their shield of sham.
These specialist should solid potential and would be recommended for advancement, the others, just stayed in the E4 Mafia and hide behind their shield of sham.
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Please explain how you became a Training Room NCO in TRADOC as an E4 Infantryman. This will help some of us in giving you a better answer.
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I was stationed at Ft. Carson. My spouse at the time (we are now getting divorced) was medically barred from Carson via EFMP (altitude + degenerative respiratory disease = death), so I requested a Compassionate Reassignment to Bragg. Due to my non-airborne status, they assigned me to Ft. Jackson instead, and I was put in charge of a Training room.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC (Join to see) - Indulge an old man for a minute, please.
Who were the idiots that signed off on your request? It appears to me that between your chain of command and your NCO support chain that none of them even had two brain cells bouncing around in their head, and then some brainiac at Bragg had an epiphany and sent you to a base that did not have an infantry unit. Didn't anyone tell you any of this at either Carson or Bragg?
My advice - Find someone stationed at Jackson here on RP and have a face to face with them.
Who were the idiots that signed off on your request? It appears to me that between your chain of command and your NCO support chain that none of them even had two brain cells bouncing around in their head, and then some brainiac at Bragg had an epiphany and sent you to a base that did not have an infantry unit. Didn't anyone tell you any of this at either Carson or Bragg?
My advice - Find someone stationed at Jackson here on RP and have a face to face with them.
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I don't know of any Grunts on RP that are stationed here. But I know a few. Issue I run into is; I usually work from 0900 to 1900 and often on weekends. So I kind of run out of time to go have sit-downs with people.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC (Join to see) - Doesn't have to be a Grunt, just someone that you can discuss it with.
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there are plenty of ways to show leadership abilities. You don't always have to have soldiers under you. when the 1SG/PSG/SL/TL asks for a volunteer, make sure you're the first to volunteer. It may be a crap detail, but take charge and make it your own. Show you can act as a professional and it will show. Start taking care of your peers. If any of them have questions or problems, be the first one to help them. Your peers will probably be more comfortable coming to you then they would their leadership. If you don't know the answer, look it up. If you cant find it or don't understand the answer, ask your NCOs. Another thing you can do, is if something doesn't seem right simply ask the question. (with that said, ensure you have a solution to the problem.)
All in all, get your name out there. You can always show your abilities even if you're not in a leadership position. Hopefully this helps you out....
All in all, get your name out there. You can always show your abilities even if you're not in a leadership position. Hopefully this helps you out....
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There is always a way to show your leadership ability whether or not you have subordinates in your work area. Off-duty you can look for volunteer opportunities in the community. In your workspace you can make yourself known amongst your peers as one that can be counted on to assist them in times of need, whether on or off duty.
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